Provenance Watcher~

[Sparthos]

Given the current gear being released they aren't making Empyrean+2 lol by any stretch of the imagination.

It is still potent gear with minor upgrades from Voidwatch and only through true replacement via Nyzul Uncharted gear which is purposely designed to be nigh impossible to obtain for most players.

[Aequis]

But they forget that they got omphalos bullet on their first set of akvans (even though they might not play cor). They neglect to mention that they got brego gloves while they were just doing one kill to tier-up.

It's really difficult, because I agree with so many things said on here but vehemently disagree with others. The above, very true. When you're chasing those one or two specific items, the race becomes all about that goal.

I don't agree with the next comment though. It's irrelevant whether someone else in your group gets their item because it doesn't impact on yourself in any positive way (due to individual chests). In fact, with the way the system works, every time that happens the situation takes a turn for the worse. Fewer people are going to be shouting for that NM, any shout will take longer to fill, people get impatient and leave, thus the overall chance of you getting that item diminishes.

It's unfair to compare VW now to Sky 7 years old.

Oh, I agree. Was just pointing out that when Square Enix "update" content they merely half-fix it, so it's somewhat better but still has gaping problems. Sky and sea are still huge timesinks, even when you can kill an NM in three minutes. I just get the feeling that no matter what we ask for, SE are not going to change VW beyond the scope of, "Oooh, let's change BST procs because some of them can miss the target right now." They're failing to see the point. By virtue of "updates" of that nature, either SE are incompetent or blatantly ignorant.

Although I wouldn't mind seeing Prov Watcher shit out an abjuration or something 100%, I actually wish all Voidwatch mobs had similar loot mechanics to this dragon: individual loot pools AND direct drops. This is one trend I like, and I wish they retroactively applied it to prior VWNM's. The individual pools would reward the PUGs, and the direct drops would reward the DKP-based LS's.

We already have Prov shout groups that lock the loot pools (where this false sense of entitlement comes from, I don't know) and I feel it could only get worse if this happened. To even see a body/piece of Rubeus/Ogier's/Athos's is very rare. To see it, then get outlotted by someone who is lotting "for the lolz" or because they might level a job that can use it in future ... no. I don't even want to go there.

I understand how that seems paradoxical of me to say, but I don't want to be a part of a linkshell "waiting my turn" either. I want to set my own paths and achieve things at my own pace; not battle a R.N.G every time I do a VWNM.

[Gokku]

I won lot on arise from my 2nd pug prov run , the mages rage'd my response is this. SE if your going to make events that drop gear make it drop gear for EVERYONE Prov offers 0 drops useful to a monk take a look at FFXIV see how every single thing they add has SOMETHING for everyone? thats what you need to start doing.

[Luvbunny]

LOL - this team trying to copy FF14? that will never happen. I would not be surprised if the two team leader is competing against each other and there is a little office animosity between the two. After all the younger one is clearly the STAR, with a far far better vision, and has the ability to connect with the consumers and giving them what they want. Huge big difference after he took over - the proof is in the pudding. As for FFXI every update is full of problems, complaints and just general animosity, in comparison with Abyssea where you see less of this. Thank god for the 2012 update road map, now we can all take 6-8 months break knowing that we are not going to miss much.

[Mahoro]

We already have Prov shout groups that lock the loot pools (where this false sense of entitlement comes from, I don't know) and I feel it could only get worse if this happened. To even see a body/piece of Rubeus/Ogier's/Athos's is very rare. To see it, then get outlotted by someone who is lotting "for the lolz" or because they might level a job that can use it in future ... no. I don't even want to go there.

I understand how that seems paradoxical of me to say, but I don't want to be a part of a linkshell "waiting my turn" either. I want to set my own paths and achieve things at my own pace; not battle a R.N.G every time I do a VWNM.

Well, I meant that I wouldn't mind all the VW fights having direct pool AND individual chest drops, to create the best of both worlds. Sure, you'd sometimes be outlotted by someone lotting "for the lolz", but you'd have your own chest to fall back on. And since people have gotten multiple bodies in fights, I doubt the direct drop slot would "interfere" with your individual chest.

Regarding your other comment, Prov Watcher shout groups that lock the loot pools are absolutely disgusting to me. Do the leaders think they are entitled to the loot simply by virtue of the fact they are shouting? By the same logic, locking drops for myself in my LS simply because I co-lead it would be repugnant as well. Besides, no other PUG events operate in that fashion, unless they are AV/Pandy Warden PUGs where I can see the logic because the shouter expended time and resources in a pop set. Simply horrid.

Either do PW PUG style where you know going in you only have a 1/18 chance of getting that direct pool drop, or join an LS and make incremental progression toward your goals with points. Not sure which LS's you refer to with the "waiting my turn" comment. Creating lines and orders for every single drop in the game creates the potential for huge abuse and frustrates morale.

LOL - this team trying to copy FF14? that will never happen. I would not be surprised if the two team leader is competing against each other and there is a little office animosity between the two. After all the younger one is clearly the STAR, with a far far better vision, and has the ability to connect with the consumers and giving them what they want. Huge big difference after he took over - the proof is in the pudding. As for FFXI every update is full of problems, complaints and just general animosity, in comparison with Abyssea where you see less of this. Thank god for the 2012 update road map, now we can all take 6-8 months break knowing that we are not going to miss much.

Ok go ahead?

[saevel]

By the same logic, locking drops for myself in my LS simply because I co-lead it would be repugnant as well.

Not disagreeing with you, but I've known shells to do exactly that and worse. Its most likely the same people doing both.

[Nala]

You never did the Sky Gods, did you?

Your example is irrelevant, sky god you could farm up multiple pop sets and spam back to back to back, this system introduces a multilayer barrier of cock blocks.

[Nala]

The purpose of Abyssea was to 'fast-forward' people from 75-90 to prepare them for the eventual true endgame of present and future. Pre-75 it took weeks to get a job to 75 well geared, they figured it'd be easier to do a battle content scenario to have copious amounts of 76-90 gear to get everyone up to par. AF3+2 by the time endgame is settled in for level 99, should end up being like AF2 was at 75, relegated to situational uses. When AF2 first came out, it was hot and sought after(pre homam/askar/nashira/odin/znm/toau gear) then once all that new gear came out, AF2 become lolAF2. So we can probably presume that with NeoNyzul/Limbus/VW and future expansion/NM gear that AF3+2 will eventually become the new lolAF2.

Poor comparison in many respects, most af2 widely lacked stats relevant to the job save for the few pieces that actually augmented abilities, its no small wonder that any gear with stats you actually needed came out they were phased out, af3+2 however for most jobs has many relevant stats, they aren't always the top pieces but make great intermediate place holders by comparison to af2 to 75 cap gear.

[Gokku]

Your example is irrelevant, sky god you could farm up multiple pop sets and spam back to back to back, this system introduces a multilayer barrier of cock blocks.

wut? i spamed 54 2min qilins last night ended up with 49 petri's , my PUG dragon group did all 3 bc's x2 and 2 easy PW wins in under 2 hours total , so i fail to see how 4 BC's with drops and easy spam VW mobs arent 1000x's faster then the super camped old sky or suuuuper camped new sky 2mil zip stones on carby atm and gl getting a fucking zip claim.

[MarkovChain]

That's because you are narrowminded. No sky item was 1% droprate. The most "sought after" item used to be byakko's haidate and is like 50% droprate and used to be killable fairly easily with a single party. Also how can one possible do 54 VWNM is one night idk. Is this the new fun people have been talking about ? I want salvage back.