Provenance Watcher~

[Monchat]

nobody wants to join a point based ls where the best item are basically locked by all the people that got the highest points. My einherjar ls for example the rules were: you chose 2 items you want, if they drop, you can lot. worked great.

[wish12oz]

Honestly, I just view Pchans arguments against large scale LS's as a cover for the fact that no decent LS would let him join. He needs to try and convince others they're bad and that he's correct by not joining one because he can't join one.

[Mahoro]

nobody wants to join a point based ls where the best item are basically locked by all the people that got the highest points. My einherjar ls for example the rules were: you chose 2 items you want, if they drop, you can lot. worked great.

You need a system that encourages new members and keeps old members coming back. We have a capped point system where anyone who has the point value assigned to the item can lot, even new members. To the extent people want to "lock out" stuff, they can bid 2x.

In your example, what happens when someone gets both items? Did everyone stay till every last person got both items on their list? One event LS's/PUG's = no accountability, no continuity. "Worked great" for the people who win freelot against 12+ other people, sure, but does nothing to alleviate frustration when people can't make incremental progress and they have to rely on the hope that when 9/10 people get their item, they will stay till the group is 10/10.

Your system is also inapplicable to events like Prov Watcher where there are only 2 direct drop-only items. "Ok, I choose which items I want to freelot? I choose Meteor! Woops, 12 other people chose it ;;"

Multiple event LS = get your drop, and still attend event because you are accruing points for next item at next event

[Alkimi]

We still have sign-ups for drops and prioritise certain gear to certain jobs but we ditched any form of points system a long time ago. Most in the linkshell agree it was for the best.

[Mahoro]

Different strokes for different folks. Back on topic, has there been any testimonial of Meteor/Arise dropping in a personal chest? Seems these fights are not done often enough to know for sure.

[Khiinroye]

We have not had any Arise or Meteor scrolls drop from a personal chest yet.

And they took the ironic decision to put rare/ex into individual pool, and tradable items like meteor into the common pool. It's liek metal plates, your never going to seriously farm meteor, your best bet is to buy it in bazar w.

Misinformation that about an event you haven't even tried that has been proven otherwise already. Most (if not all) of the rare/ex items for Provenance Watcher are in both the individual pool and the common pool.

[Elexia]

Look familiar?

Yup.

Also, no there's no defending getting log and rocks from doing this fight. Nor defending the 990k I have to spend to get said logs and rocks, especially the fact that farming for the KIs is also impractical because unless you had stones pilled up you're also blowing gil on voiddust for no reason so no, no defending this at all. None. Zero. I'm generally the one that gets called a fangirl because I defended SE over Nyzul (when people said it sucked), Salvage and ZNM.

[Mahoro]

The Caturae chambers drop the KI's 100%. No need to spend 990k cruor or farm for KI

[Asymptotic]

The Caturae chambers drop the KI's 100%. No need to spend 990k cruor or farm for KI

This. For a good group, it takes a max of 90 mins to do all 3 fights + Dragon, and this includes running to Abyssea-Uleguerand (Resheph drops Revit) to reset 2-hours if the Caturae steal your 2-hours and changing jobs for the dragon / going over strategy.

90 mins for 12 logs!

[Mahoro]

Yes, 12 logs ;;

On the Caturae, we just have certain vital 2hr jobs stay back out of Pawn's Penumbra range. Saves some time on resetting, but obviously it is safer with your method.