Provenance Watcher~

[Mahoro]

I can't begin to accept that post was created by Pchan. It acknowledges some Voidwatch Armor, Doesn't insult anyone, Explains its reasons in a well thought-out manner and even shows both the Pros and Cons of a typical event, and has a dash of humor.

Glorious shortlived redemption aside, I tend to agree. Most of the voidwatch armor is pretty second rate, but when things like Relics exist, Creating first rate weapons is impossible. however, that new Shield/Sword/Staff really are the best new melee weapons short of the Legendaries. So that goes for something.

Nyzul Armor does hold king in most spots, but some Voidwatch gear is respectable, if only for some situational armor. like the DT body. Or the Cure Potency body.

But on a serious note. Melee Summoner Staff. I'm going to get it one day if my Account is ever reactivated. If only for the glorious lulz i can have when I whip that thing out in public and bash on things with it. I tried that once before with a type of staff, People didn't appreciate it. But this time will be different.

I actually thought that Pchan post was respectable too, except for the underlying assumption in nearly all of his posts that one should be Neo-Nyzuling or farming ADL for money and nothing else. I am Neo-Nyzulling myself but it's a few hours every 5-7 days (more commonly 7 days since statics like to meet the same time each week). I agree the rewards from Neo-Nyzul are superior, but my activity in the event is not mutually exclusive to doing VW for those other pieces that benefit my jobs (however "great", "minor", or "sidegrade" they are). I sometimes see him castigate drops for jobs that he doesn't play, which ties into his overal opinion that the majority of jobs besides MNK + WHM + BRD + COR are worthless (and SMN but he'd say "only its 2hr").

[MarkovChain]

Cor is useless too, except for its 2H. Oh and yeah I was right about VW from start, as usual. And I already said that legion is a plot to revive crafting (abj. apparently) that died before it was even born. I wish you good luck splitting scrolls of meteor into 36.

[Mahoro]

Cor is useless too, except for its 2H. Oh and yeah I was right about VW from start, as usual. And I already said that legion is a plot to revive crafting (abj. apparently) that died before it was even born. I wish you good luck splitting scrolls of meteor into 36.

It's 18. And don't have to split Meteor/Arise in a DKP based LS when we can guarantee that people with WHM + BLM will actually get the scrolls. Thanks for the wishes though.

The Legion thing failed more because the event is nearly impossible to clear in its current state barring Meteor tricks which the playerbase can't test yet without farming Provenance Watcher. If the event was as easy as Abyssea and the Honor items dropped like rain, we would already be seeing sample augments on the abjuration armor. I'm not saying these augments will be amazing...hell, they could be laughable. But I'd like to actually SEE a few samples before passing judgment like you are. Some of the standalone HQ abjuration pieces are already good (Khepri for THF/RNG/COR, Iaso hat/boots for WHM, etc.), and these T1 synths will get more common as crafting cap increases. Of course, you don't play some of those jobs or have declared them worthless/not as efficient as ally of MNKs, so any comment you make on these forums is biased before you even hit the Reply button.

In this Provenance thread, you are essentially doing what you did in the Legion thread. Coming in and declaring entire events worthless with maximum glee amd schadenfreude, saying "I was right all along etc.", all in an attempt to justify your perceived superiority and your idea that people should be farming Nyzul or ADL and nothing else. Last I heard, there are people who like doing more in-game than that. There are people who have most everything they need for their jobs, and relish getting even pieces with minor improvements/sidegrades to tweak their gearsets and builds.

[Monchat]

the legion augment thing reminds me of evolith... this failed so hard.

[Sargent]

Only issue I have with Provenance Watcher is getting the KIs required for it. Spending 990k curor each time is unfeasible and there's a 24 hour wait on KIs to enter the fights that drop 1/3rd of the KIs required at a 100% rate. Although there are direct drops that the whole alliance will be lotting on in 9/10 PUGs, the drop rate from the personal loot pool is terrible as usual and Arise/Meteor have only been confirmed to be direct drops.

I understand that this stuff should be hard to get, but I think they should lower the recharge on KIs to enter the catarae fights to equal that of your Voidstone and if it isn't already, add Arise and Meteor to the personal loot.

[Kaisha]

I understand that this stuff should be hard to get, but I think they should lower the recharge on KIs to enter the catarae fights to equal that of your Voidstone and if it isn't already, add Arise and Meteor to the personal loot.

7 conundrums a week, that's minimum two honest attempts at the Watcher assuming horrible luck getting the KIs or crystal petrifacts off the normal VW NMs that everyone is still 0/150 on for their desired drop.

I can live with that.

[MarkovChain]

Once again you are trying to defend the event. Trying to turn it into yet another event that a LS should be doing. Some FFXIosaures still use point systems I see. You are getting nowhere, only a minority of your members will get anything. This event has been designed so that you can "spam" it, so people best way to do it is either getting lucky in a pickup or buy it in a bazars. I'm willing to bet meteor is going to sell for 20 M gil, aka nothing.

[Mahoro]

Once again you are trying to defend the event. Trying to turn it into yet another event that a LS should be doing. Some FFXIosaures still use point systems I see. You are getting nowhere, only a minority of your members will get anything. This event has been designed so that you can "spam" it, so people best way to do it is either getting lucky in a pickup or buy it in a bazars. I'm willing to bet meteor is going to sell for 20 M gil, aka nothing.

You state "only a minority of your members will get anything." If you are implying some kind of favoritism in a large LS setting, you likely don't understand rule one of how to make a fair DKP system, considering your already extreme bias toward large LS's. If you are implying that only a couple people will walk away with scrolls, this is the same result as would occur in a PUG. Would you prefer the PUG where 15 other people lot on Meteor against the only 3 guys who have BLM?

You also don't seem to realize that no single option excludes others. That is, someone in a LS can supplement LS runs with PUG runs. They can spend DKP in a LS setting to "call dibs" automatically, they can get lucky in a PUG lotting against 17 other people, or they can buy it in bazaars (if they can find any). The bazaar thing can be a solution to anything though, can't it? Just farm Dyna and hire others to get you ra/ex gear and buy all non-ra/ex stuff in bazaars.

At any rate, the opportunity for everybody to get loot is always present in VW. With these last fights, they made it so that there are individual chests AND group pool drops. Best of both worlds to me. I wish all VW loot dropped that way. Although of course the drop rates are low again and people are getting logs, of which I am absolutely not a fan.

[MarkovChain]

You state "only a minority of your members will get anything." If you are implying some kind of favoritism in a large LS setting, you likely don't understand rule one of how to make a fair DKP system, considering your already extreme bias toward large LS's. If you are implying that only a couple people will walk away with scrolls, this is the same result as would occur in a PUG. Would you prefer the PUG where 15 other people lot on Meteor against the only 3 guys who have BLM?

The best loot distribution is free lot for anyone, it's the only way to satisfy anyone, and the only way to keep members. Don't act like I'm a LS free noob that doesn't want to get implied in large scale farming. This crap is not endgame it's a 18-man BCNM. I've done countless of point based system like sky dynamis lamebus etc it just doesn't work and people quit when they get their shit. Best thing I did was Einherjar where the lotting rule basically free lot for everyone, and the LS last like 2 years, 33 odin.


Nobody would farm hagun with their LS at 75, same problem here. I've done plenty of point system based event and it just doesn't work in the long run. It's not necessarily because people keep everything for them, it's because it's impossible to give everyone what they want, which leads to frustration, and also leads to those that got anything to leave. But hey, keep thinking you are not wasting your time. Do you have a relic 99 ? A mythic 99? An empy 99 ? Meteor ? Arise ? 250 millions ? A full nyzul set ? I bet the answers to those question are no to all, which totally confirms what I'm saying. Doing EVRYTHING in a event which is what you imply just doesn't work. You need a LS for one specific event at best.

[MarkovChain]

At any rate, the opportunity for everybody to get loot is always present in VW. With these last fights, they made it so that there are individual chests AND group pool drops. Best of both worlds to me. I wish all VW loot dropped that way. Although of course the drop rates are low again and people are getting logs, of which I am absolutely not a fan.

And they took the ironic decision to put rare/ex into individual pool, and tradable items like meteor into the common pool. It's liek metal plates, your never going to seriously farm meteor, your best bet is to buy it in bazar w.