Casting Sneak / Invisible Outside of Party?

[Tamoa]

Since whm is one of my 2 main jobs, I have to say I don't want to be burdened with having to sneak/invis other people any more than I already do.

However, the reasons just given to us by SE for not making sneak/invis "outside party" spells, are pretty damn pathetic.

[Lokithor]

I want to harass people by casting deodorize on them then pointing and laughing.

[svengalis]

Its not a big deal anyway just thought it was something that could be easily fixed.

[Taube]

Its not a big deal anyway just thought it was something that could be easily fixed.

This isn't about your suggestion anymore. This is about SE using stupidity as their excuse.

[svengalis]

This isn't about your suggestion anymore. This is about SE using stupidity as their excuse.

Well I can see where he is coming from. It will just lead to more problems that they have to fix. People do dumb things. I guess just leave well enough alone.

[Damane]

Currently, the way that spells/abilities are set up fall into one of three categories: Self/Party Members/Anyone. Therefore, we can’t just make an adjustment to allow something to reach alliances only. If we were to do this, it would have to be done so that the spell applies to "Anyone."

In that case, we have to worry quite a bit about harassment and griefing that could result from that change. For example, when players have to be visible to interact with something (like a door), someone can cast invisible on them to grief them repeatedly. Secondly, players would be able to disrupt someone who is trying "pull with sound aggro" by casting sneak on them before hand. Furthermore, casting invisible on someone else and making them disappear without their consent is a major point of harassment.

These reasons are why we haven't moved to change the properties of Sneak/Invisible beyond their current party member limitation.

there is a reason why /blockaid exists ¬.¬. This is a seirous lame excuse from SE...

[Midorikaze]

Why not make it:

Self/Party OR Alliance/Everyone?

Win-win, Sneak/Invis is still contained in Parties/allied characters, and no "griefing" should occur, since only Alliance members would be able to receive it. Also, there is always /blacklist?

In my book, Alliance people are still party members.

Three Parties in a Party

[Raksha]

Why not make it:

Self/Party OR Alliance/Everyone?

Win-win, Sneak/Invis is still contained in Parties/allied characters, and no "griefing" should occur, since only Alliance members would be able to receive it. Also, there is always /blacklist?

In my book, Alliance people are still party members.

Three Parties in a Party

this

When someone says something retarded like "the game doesn't work that way" My knee-jerk response is "well make it work that way"

[Midorikaze]

SCH ability Accession >> Sneak/Invisible doesn't even really have to apply to all 18 members either, cause that might be overkill, lol. Graphics intensive much? =D
Maybe just that one person in one of the other parties who forgot their pots and powders. I've done it before. Not everyone subs /NIN or /WHM or /DNC at all times. Nobody is perfect ^^

[RAIST]

not trying to defend SE and all, but there could potentially be instances where someone is trying to do something in competition with other groups (liike pop a chest, force pop an NM) that requires invis to be down in the current design scheme and they have not put up /blockaid yet (for whatever reason). A group could have some mages spam invis on them to prevent them from trading/clicking the marker/chest and effectively "steal" the opportunity from them.

I know, slim to no chance of it happening.....but if the exploit is there, SOMEONE is going to be a douche and abuse it eventually. So, if they were to implement a change from party only to anyone for these spells, they would need to first fix the issue with not being able to trade/open things while invisible first--which, honestly I think would be a more important tweak, as there are items that can be crafted/purchased/traded by the players to apply sneak/invisible.