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[Alhanelem]

I have no intention of denying you a right to complain, but some complaints are reasonable, and some are not. I do not find that these complaints are reasonable.

There is nothing wrong with having different contests on a regional basis (as long as each region still gets a contest). The one expectation I would have is that the prizes of each contest have similar monetary value.

You also have to consider the community contests. For instance, while I was actively admin'ing FFXIclopedia before the founder's move to GE, we got a rather valuable prize to give away to the winner of our art contest (which SE supported). Community sites ask SE if they can support a contest, and because of this, you get many conetsts on our side of the pond that may be totally different and maybe even better than what you see in Japan. The reason the contests are different is because they are devised by different people. I really don't think there's much more to it than that.

Liiterally the only reason this thread even started was because the JP forum event involved finding something in the game, which an NA player happened to come across. If that egg wasn't there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So it seems to me that people are truly more bothered about the fact that their event included something in-game (even though it was trivial and uninteresting), more than they are bothered about us getting different events, because nobody noticed this before now, and now we're suddenly on a holy crusade for equality.

Again, to avoid any confusion: This post and all previous ones are specifically in reference to this contest issue. There are true inequality issues elsewhere (e.g. communication) but their addressability in many cases is limited.

Good faith is an egg hunt not a PVP or a cake baking contest.

No, good faith is giving us a contest, with a comparable reward. The nature of the contest itself is not relevant. If they gave us a "better" contest with a "better" prize, would you still be complaining? Or would your heart be pining for the japanese to get the exact same event as us in the name of equality?

I still think you are reading way too far into it. This is all I have to say- you really should wait and see what happens before passing further judgement.

[Sarick]

I have no intention of denying you a right to complain, but some complaints are reasonable, and some are not. I do not find that these complaints are reasonable.

Again this is a matter of opinion and your defense is based around what you think is reasonable.

There is nothing wrong with having different contests on a regional basis (as long as each region still gets a contest). The one expectation I would have is that the prizes of each contest have similar monetary value.

Again this is a matter of opinion and your defense is it's okay if each region still gets a contest. My last post gave a prime example why events and contest can't be judged on the same level. The statement I made about movies is not an opinion it's a fact that they can never be totally equivalent.

The excuse "contests are different is because they are devised by different people." doesn't matter. If it can be done for one party it can be done for the other.

Liiterally the only reason this thread even started was because the JP forum event involved finding something in the game, which an NA player happened to come across. If that egg wasn't there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So it seems to me that people are truly more bothered about the fact that their event included something in-game (even though it was trivial and uninteresting), more than they are bothered about us getting different events, because nobody noticed this before now, and now we're suddenly on a holy crusade for equality.

Every crusade needs two sides.

Again, to avoid any confusion: This post and all previous ones are specifically in reference to this contest issue. There are true inequality issues elsewhere (e.g. communication) but their addressability in many cases is limited.

This is an excuse translators are available full time. This is 2012 not the 1900's where school was just an option. In Japan for instance most of the schools teach English as a requirement. These requirements have been mandatory for several years. English isn't as rare in Japan as you think, most people aren't aware of this.

No, good faith is giving us a contest, with a comparable reward. The nature of the contest itself is not relevant. If they gave us a "better" contest with a "better" prize, would you still be complaining? Or would your heart be pining for the japanese to get the exact same event as us in the name of equality?

Again your trying to compare different contest and events. "You can't really compare two different things sometimes. If you tell someone lets go watch a movie the first thing they'll ask is what type of movie or the name of the movie. It's not because they don't like movies it's because the term movie is a generalization.

Like you said "holy crusade", if they complained you bet your bottom I'd be cheering them on if I was aware.

I still think you are reading way too far into it. This is all I have to say- you really should wait and see what happens before passing further judgement.

I've seen what happens, the play online still shows Valkyrie Profile II in the advertisements with available in stores now on PS2. You're telling me to wait? If people don't complain then most of the time things don't get acknowledged. Think about what your defending for a moment and the nature behind it. You've chosen to tell everyone don't worry about it, everything is okay, or let's see what happens. Honestly, you've done more to escalate this conversation then anyone complaining by playing damage control. If it's not a big deal why are you still defending your side? Your argument should be able to defend itself if the complaints are so unreasonable?

[Alhanelem]

This picture expresses better than words what you are doing in this thread.

[Sarick]

This picture expresses better than words what you are doing in this thread.

I must admit that post made me laugh my rear off. Not in a disrespectful or arrogant manner towards you it was actually quite funny. I hope you understand, I wasn't trying to harass you or disrupt the thread. I truly think that everyone should have the same opportunities and I respectfully stand by this.

[Alhanelem]

I understand how you feel, but I don't feel everything has to be 100% equal to be fair.

[Sarick]

I understand how you feel, but I don't feel everything has to be 100% equal to be fair.

I think you understand we're more or less sides of a fence. What we think differs slightly about events and contest. In my case I'm trying to defend how important it is to keep everything equal as humanly possible. On the other side of this conversation is you trying to undermined everything in the way of progress. Telling people to wait, shut up, and it's unreasonable based on personal opinion. If anything you should be following the advice you've been giving others including me this whole time. Alhanelem, there is no honor in bringing down a good cause no matter how unreasonable you think it is. This is especially true if it has no real negative impact on your person. What I'm defending is to help people by acknowledging how important keeping things equal and fair. Please think about true nature behind your defense arguments.

Let's take movies as an example again. Consider this, if you received movies on DVD in the mail every month and your distant relatives also received movies of equal value in your opinion this would be fair. Based on your views it would be fine if they got the different movies because they cost the same. Look closely at this argument. If you received movies like "Glen or Glenda" and "Freddy Got Fingered" and they received movies like "The Terminator" and "Goodfellas." would you still be trying to compare things based on equal values? Equal isn't always good when it's all based on personal opinion. If the there are no opinion variables there's nothing really to compare.

As I've stated before why people complain. I also stated if they didn't a lot of things wouldn't get acknowledged. There is also another reason why people complain. It's because they care about something. Equality in events should be important. In my best judgement someone defending anything less then allowing everyone an equal opportunity does more damage then good. All you have to do is agree to what is underlined in the comment above. On a final note: In your quote you say 100%. No, it's more like 99% or slightly less that this conversation is about.

[Alhanelem]

In my case I'm trying to defend how important it is to keep everything equal as humanly possible.

And I'm trying to defend how unimportant it is to keep everything as equal as humanly possible. Again, things don't have to be equal to be fair. Fairness is more important than equality. Over at the FFXI forums, EU, NA, JP all have different events for some things. Other things, they all have the same event. (e.g., the current event of guessing how long it will take after the next patch before people beat the new boss) Nobody complains about this over there.

We're clearly on opposite sides of a great wall. There's really no point in debating this.

[Dragoy]

I don't really care about forum/in-game events not being available for everyone that much, as it takes considerably more effort to do that... >.>

However, when they go as far as preparing in-game items, those, I think, should be available to everyone or no one. Now that would be fair I think (thinking of the annual in-game events gives a good idea of what I mean). Same goes with items obtained for participating in real-life events, too, so it's not like this has not been going on forever already, and frankly I don't think complaining at this point will help at all.

Being outside of both, the Japanese as well as the American player-base does not help, either. :b

Either way, I am not sure what you two are debating on right now.

Just about the events themselves, or the rewards?
In-game rewards or real-life items?

I think clearing that up might get you somewhere (unless I'm the only one within a haze).

[Doombringer]

i wonder what it would feel like to be the jp dev that designed this contest reading this thread.

no good deed goes unpunished right?

[Sarick]

We're clearly on opposite sides of a great wall. There's really no point in debating this.

Seeing as you don't have a good defense even after given excellent perceptions in great detail I can agree there is no point in debating this. We disagree, I want things to be more equal you want to hold things back. The effort I've made to move forward can more then defend itself at this point.

However, when they go as far as preparing in-game items, those, I think, should be available to everyone or no one. Now that would be fair I think (thinking of the annual in-game events gives a good idea of what I mean). Same goes with items obtained for participating in real-life events

For the most part I agree with this.

Either way, I am not sure what you two are debating on right now.

His side of the debate is extremely lax almost apathetic of the situation. It defies logic and makes me wonder why he even would want to defend his position. His argument makes the assumption that personal judgement of whats fair has no consequences. If there is no standardized method of making things equal as humanly possible there is no faith. Why?, because the guidelines he proposed as fair are based on personal perception. When these guidelines are handed over to multiple groups it's just human nature that one side is bound to be treated differently. From my perspective making them equal as possible is in the best interest of everyone.

It's simple to understand, If the personal variables aren't there then its obviously to be more equal. IMHO, it's backwards thinking when someone would defend an issue that can easily be abused like it already is. If no one defends this position then it promotes the right to unfairness.