[dev1103] The problem with Voidwatch Final Chapter

[Zumi]

Everything is fine. Nothing is wrong with it. Go do the per-requisites and stop complaining. Don't see a shout? Shout yourself and get it done.

From my point of view here is what happened with FFXI. Abyssea killed the majority of hardcore large scale linkshells, there might be a couple left but they are few and far between. So the server community seems to solely rely on pugs to do most everything in the game from abyssea farming, exp, and void watch. If something is viewed as too hard it just flat out gets ignored by the majority of the playerbase. See neo nyzul, legion, and now VW Finale. So the people who like doing new content are out of luck pretty much. The game has shifted form doing stuff with LS to PUG everything.

Saying make your own group is easier said then done because very few people would want to join a Ocythoe group, which is the one I actually need. Awhile I was stuck on Jeuno T2 for about 3 months, I try making my own group 3 times the most i would get is 3-6 people then I gave up after about an hour of shouting when I see it wasn't going anywhere. Eventaully I found a group that was doing T1-T3 and did all that in a day.

The majority of people who do shouts do it for 1 NM that the want a 1% drop on that popular enough to get a lot of people fast. Its not that easy to get people for a NM like Ocythoe with unpopular drops.

VW clears are much more difficult then Shinyru which I had no problem getting because almost all the NMs required for it were duoable, which is way different then getting an alliance of 18 together. The only thing that needed something special was Rani since a brew was required but then people were always shouting for that because they wanted the ring it dropped and it was very easy to find someone brewing it during when Shinryu was popular.

I am afraid that VW finale will be pretty much ignored like legion and neo nyzul. I don't even care about the drops in VW at all, I just want to fight the bosses finish the storyline. Since 1% sidegrades which VW is full of for the most part really don't interest me much mainly want to see the conclusion of the story and beat each fight once just to see how it is.

[Savlyn]

So much wrong that it needs to be taken in parts:

Saying make your own group is easier said then done because very few people would want to join a Ocythoe group, which is the one I actually need.

There are other people who need them too. A TON of people I would imagine, because everyone feels the same way. They didn't do the climbs, just skipped to the "good stuff". You can make your own group. If it means that much to you, you'll find a way to get it done.

If you can't get it done in a day, then how about a week? Over that week there is bound to be that one group that you mention who spams it for the 1% drop.

then I gave up

This makes me happy.

Eventaully I found a group that was doing T1-T3 and did all that in a day.

Exactly. They're easy. Find one group that's doing a branch (shouting, LS, friends, GOING to the area and waiting, etc) and you can get it done. If it took a day to kill one monster, then yeah, its understandable to say that's hard. But... T1-T4 Takes maybe two or three hours.

VW clears are much more difficult then Shinyru which I had no problem getting because almost all the NMs required for it were duoable

*sigh*
When this stuff was first released, it wasn't duoable. When Abyssea came out initially, it was full alliances. Lv cap raises, new zones are released, parties shrunk in size because people got the hang of it. Another lv cap raise, same deal. And finally 99, everything is duoable.

Have people really forgotten that the level cap increase was over the course of a year and not instantly? New things will always be hard... until people figure out how to make them easier. (Players, not Developers). Old CoP used to take WEEKs or longer to go from beginning to getting sea access. And for those of you who we're around then, Shinryu access was just a mini version that took much less time to get. If anything, having the final VW fight only allowing people who actually put in effort to enter is a good thing. Yes, it might take time to do all the fights leading up there, but GOOD. A way to actually pass time in FFXI instead of AFKing in Jeuno.

I am afraid that VW finale will be pretty much ignored like legion and neo nyzul.

People do Legion. Its quite fun, actually. Neo nyzul isn't as bad with the new system and it seems to be improving. And, I'd bet all of my gil that the finale of VW will be going strong for the next year at least.

I don't even care about the drops in VW at all, I just want to fight the bosses finish the storyline.
mainly want to see the conclusion of the story and beat each fight once just to see how it is.

*le second sigh*
Again, there are people who feel the same way. People will want to do each fight. And, its just plain hypocrisy to want a story to play through... without the challenge of beating things in order to progress.

If you plan to do every fight anyway, why is this thread even here?

I completely understand making statements to the developers when things aren't right, or are really unbeatable, but this is not one of those times.

[Mahoro]

Yeah, Shinryu isn't a perfect analogy (note however that Raja/Rani were challenging at the time Shinryu was released), but it still served as precedent for the last year when we were clearing tiers of content and getting CS's and story progression. I still think now that people have a "reason" to clear stuff (see Meteor thread too), the groups are being formed fast and furious. I saw at least 6 shout groups on Lakshmi doing clears last night, Ocythoe being one of them.

As for the PUG vs. linkshell debate, that can open a whole offtopic Pandora's box, but I'll just say that I couldn't have been the only person who recognized the better part of 2011 that SE was leading us somewhere and forced my LS through multiple progression event nights to get everyone cleared.

[Zumi]

I keep the FFXIAH shouts on tab in my browser in case someone is doing Ocythoe or an all T6 clear. Check it while I work on other stuff. I really don't have a reason to log in the game unless I see someone doing that run. Not too much else I can really do at this point on FFXI. I don't care about spamming endless VW mobs for that 1% sidegrade drop.

I am the type of person who beat all the CoP, ToAU, WotG missions the first day they are out.

I log in on patch day only to see like people spamming more Pils instead of actually trying to progress on the VW quests. It's pretty disappointing.

[Savlyn]

I am the type of person who beat all the CoP, ToAU, WotG missions the first day they are out.

Your posts make me smile.

[Fupafighter]

Hell if anything, don't do the VW clears for the finale, do them for the VW warps all over the place, as it is very nice. I do think it is nice that you need your clears though. It atleast assures that the group you're going with has experience with VW. It's sickening when you go to VW and there is a pink thf or pink mnk with twilight belt in your cor pty while you're sitting there with say your 90 verethregna with no buffs. You're not supposed to get the good shit til you clear the boring shit. FFXI has always been like this. Gotta do boring ass sea to get rajas/brutal. Gotta do Wings of the goddess for a week straight to get 25 tp bonus lol. Gotta beat sky just to get a silly earring, why should VW be any different.

[Fupafighter]

I keep the FFXIAH shouts on tab in my browser in case someone is doing Ocythoe or an all T6 clear. Check it while I work on other stuff. I really don't have a reason to log in the game unless I see someone doing that run. Not too much else I can really do at this point on FFXI. I don't care about spamming endless VW mobs for that 1% sidegrade drop.

I am the type of person who beat all the CoP, ToAU, WotG missions the first day they are out.

I log in on patch day only to see like people spamming more Pils instead of actually trying to progress on the VW quests. It's pretty disappointing.

I will not accept you only logging in for VW tier 6 and you saying you gotz nothin to do until you get yo burtgang and aeigs lol! Nice pld though.

[Alhanelem]

Is the final chapter just a single fight or several?

[Alkimi]

Three battlefields with 2x Caturae in them to get the KIs (although they are available from other sources) and Provenance Watcher battlefield.

[Foxx]

I do not see a problem with the way it is set up. The problem is people want something for nothing and that is not fair for the people who put in the work. Stop complaining like little babies and shout for help until you get it. This stuff is not hard.