[dev1103] The problem with Voidwatch Final Chapter

[Siiri]

I try to stay out of casual vs hardcore discussion, but seriously just get the clears. Its not that hard. The final battle should be restricted to those who climbed. For another example beyond those given, dynamis xarc required all city clears and glacier clears. Please make people get some basic accomplishments. If you want easy mode go solo dyna on your bst or do Abyssea. Nothing wrong with a couple large alliance events that require clearing content before you get to the final battle.

[svengalis]

I try to stay out of casual vs hardcore discussion, but seriously just get the clears. Its not that hard. The final battle should be restricted to those who climbed. For another example beyond those given, dynamis xarc required all city clears and glacier clears. Please make people get some basic accomplishments. If you want easy mode go solo dyna on your bst or do Abyssea. Nothing wrong with a couple large alliance events that require clearing content before you get to the final battle.

I hate when people use this argument, example: "If you want easy content go play WoW." It's not about easy content it's about actually being able to do the content. I saw someone shout for a voidwatch alliance for like 4 hours before they got enough people. I don't want to go through that to be able to enjoy the game.

[Krashport]

How Final Fantasy XI has changed... Lv.1-10 naked 20mins, Lv.10-30 BB leech spot(400k) AFK naked 5 hours, Lv.30-95 Abyssea leech spot(1mil) AFK naked 16hours, AF what? there is no reason for it. Just use all that Cruor from leeching on emp gear. not naked anymore, runs to the forums skilling up takes to long. SE adds skill up food/gear... shouting in jeuno for help with LB... runs to the forums it's to hard, SE makes it easier. I'm not saying this is how everyone plays Final Fantasy XI (You know who you are), but having the game playing without you being there and making it to easy isn't playing the game.

Ok now we're up to Voidwatch hmm.... ok I can't remember anyone complaining about having to get access to sky in order to do those VW, I feel it's fine the way it is and if Square Enix do change it that's fine also, but then again... if said person has not complete the walk through VW said person will not advance into getting their own Key item upgraded, will only rely on others for a handout like they been doing to Square Enix on these forums. Somethings are meant to be tough. If Square Enix makes it easy fine let it be another thing that is easy. I mean this is an online game and things do and will take a lot of time. I can't help to wonder why said people are on fast-ward. If said person don't do the before content the after content you'll know nothing and would just hear and read about it and not experience it.

How about said person can experience the battles and those CS without being able to get loot until they have upgraded their Key items. this way it's a win/win they get new content, but they still have to give an effort on upgrading cause it's all about new content right and not relying on others for upgraded key items. ^^

Oh well am not against nor agree with the OP, Voidwatch; to be continued.

[Vagrua]

Rounding up a party/alliance through shouts/yells doesn't necessarily mean you can complete them. After getting the people together, there's always a chance they will leave, go afk, etc. Losing your tanks or healers can ruin the entire alliance.

Without a Linkshell to run with, you're never guaranteed anything.

I do agree with the OP, in a sense, that everyone should be able to experience this content because of the point I stated above.

The arguments mentioned in this thread about other content relying on clears to proceed further don't point out that it's almost all soloable and duoable now. Voidwatch is a different story.

[Rezeak]

The only issue imo is that you can't get credit for fight you've done until you've go the stratum.

Outside that VW has a storyline and the final fight require you go though the entire storyline like with every other story line.

imo i'm glad SE went this direction with the game combining story line and endgame it's sad to see fun fight like Alexander be killed once and forgotten this way theys no lack of help for story content.

As a side note in 1 day i did all T1-4 Bastok, Windy and Sandy for a friend these fight are a joke now (so is all of T1-5 jeuno minus 1 or 2 fights)

[Mahoro]

I still think the closest analogy is Shinryu. Abyssea zones were open to all, everyone was fighting in them, then SE tied a storyline to certain mobs that had to be beaten and certain CS's in order to reach the final zone of Abyssea. Then people did them, even though they weren't constantly being killed or shouted for, and in a month or two, Shinryu access was a joke.

So too, Provenance access will be.

[detlef]

I still think the closest analogy is Shinryu. Abyssea zones were open to all, everyone was fighting in them, then SE tied a storyline to certain mobs that had to be beaten and certain CS's in order to reach the final zone of Abyssea. Then people did them, even though they weren't constantly being killed or shouted for, and in a month or two, Shinryu access was a joke.

So too, Provenance access will be.

There are few notable differences. You can duo any Abyssea zone boss. People were killing them for Empy anyway so there was a very good chance you could just show up at the zone and get a free win.

You could also kill them in any order. I'm sure there are people who have killed every single VW NM but are screwed because they had the gall to kill them in the wrong order.

[Alhanelem]

How Final Fantasy XI has changed... Lv.1-10 naked 20mins, Lv.10-30 BB leech spot(400k) AFK naked 5 hours, Lv.30-95 Abyssea leech spot(1mil)

If you have to pay gil to level up, then you don't have any friends. Sorry.

[Krashport]

If you have to pay gil to level up, then you don't have any friends. Sorry.

I totally agree! lol