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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    In all fairness, Camate did post 04/04/2012 that they were looking to do this in the SUMMER. It is still Spring. Summer starts June 20th on our calendar.

    While I do agree it is long overdue, we were notified of a general time frame to expect a change, and we still have roughly 7 weeks until that window first opens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
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    You will be glad to know that we are planning to make it possible to access your storage from all mog houses, however, it will be sometime after the upcoming version update.
    Now I know sometime is a while, but a whole year it stretching it a little.
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    Yes, but in that announcement in August (which, by the way was NOT a year ago, but 8 months), they didn't give any real hint as to a time frame to expect any changes. This more recent update on the situation did: look for something to come in the Summer time frame.

    THIS time were given a rough time frame for when to expect it. That time has not come yet.

    It's kinda like the payment changes. Everyone raised h3ll for weeks when it screwed people out of their access until SE made an official announcement of when to expect the change. Things cooled off for a while--until they started missing the deadlines. Then the uproar started again--and it was justified because they gave us a specific window to expect the changes and they missed it by a mile. Until they fail to deliver as promised (ie, in the Summer)--all the clamouring for a change is kinda pointless....they've already promised a change will be coming, likely in the Summer
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    "Sometime after the upcoming version update" doesn't come across as "months and months after the upcoming version update and the next few updates after that too". I guess at the time Camate didn't have any idea of when it might be implemented, but it the way it's worded it really did sound like we wouldn't have to wait 10+ months. At least to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    Yes, but in that announcement in August (which, by the way was NOT a year ago, but 8 months), they didn't give any real hint as to a time frame to expect any changes. This more recent update on the situation did: look for something to come in the Summer time frame.

    THIS time were given a rough time frame for when to expect it. That time has not come yet.

    It's kinda like the payment changes. Everyone raised h3ll for weeks when it screwed people out of their access until SE made an official announcement of when to expect the change. Things cooled off for a while--until they started missing the deadlines. Then the uproar started again--and it was justified because they gave us a specific window to expect the changes and they missed it by a mile. Until they fail to deliver as promised (ie, in the Summer)--all the clamouring for a change is kinda pointless....they've already promised a change will be coming, likely in the Summer
    Really!?

    Christ almighty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamoa View Post
    "Sometime after the upcoming version update" doesn't come across as "months and months after the upcoming version update and the next few updates after that too". I guess at the time Camate didn't have any idea of when it might be implemented, but it the way it's worded it really did sound like we wouldn't have to wait 10+ months. At least to me.
    and how long have you been playing FFXI? not like ridiculous delays on changes is anything new for SE. Just look at how long it took them to undo their snafu on the payment changes, regardless of how much revenue was flying out the door because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    and how long have you been playing FFXI? not like ridiculous delays on changes is anything new for SE. Just look at how long it took them to undo their snafu on the payment changes, regardless of how much revenue was flying out the door because of it.

    How long I've been playing has nothing to do with it, keep the snarky comments to yourself please?

    It was badly worded by Camate, giving the impression it would be done fairly soon. I decided to bring the subject back up because personally I'm hurting bad for MH space, and having to go to home nation for anything I might need that's in MH storage is a royal pain in the backside when I'm in a rush.

    "Undoing their snafu on the payment changes" can't really be compared to this, I dare say fixing that required a lot more work than giving players access to MH storage from anywhere will require.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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    The point was they have a habit of hinting at changes that take forever to implement. Things are often stated as in "future updates" that seem to never show up.

    And no, reimplementing the payment changes was not as big a deal as I think you think it was. The framework was already in place--more than half the hard work was already done (rerference the JP site was live with the framework from day 1). I used to work for a company that did this very thing, and once the details of the framework were in place, and paperwork processed for the CC processor, it was done inside of a week. Granted, there may have been delays shopping for a new provider and setting up the contracts....but certainly not something that should have taken months to take care of. Issues with what they were doing dated back roughly a YEAR prior to implementation (reference FFXIV crapstorm over C&B in 2010), and the whole issue became a hot topic again in the scope of FFXI roughly 3 months prior to having it thrust down our throats.

    SE had ample time (roughly a year or more to prepare) to take care of this, they just dragged their feet as usual.

    And that's the point. They are KNOWN to drag their feet on nearly everything. Even serious bugfixes can sometimes take a month or more to tweak, while other things considered "game changing" get tweaked in a couple weeks. They are perfectly capable of doing things faster....just for whatever reason, they do not. If they don't give a specific time frame for an implementation, then it should not be expected prior to them announcing such a time frame for implementation--it's still an open issue whose fate is still "to be determined" until they actually commit to completion. To expect anything better than past activity was in short, naivety (sorry if that sounds "snarky", but I meant that in the literal sense of "lacking in experience or understanding").
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    And that's the point. They are KNOWN to drag their feet on nearly everything.
    That does not make it any more acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
    That does not make it any more acceptable.
    Regardless, it is what it is. The most recent update stated they are "aiming for summer to do this."

    Thus, the earliest we should expect to see anything more from SE on this is in the summer months. Until then, "mum's the word".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    and how long have you been playing FFXI? not like ridiculous delays on changes is anything new for SE. Just look at how long it took them to undo their snafu on the payment changes, regardless of how much revenue was flying out the door because of it.
    So because they're used to doing it, we should just accept it rather than complain.
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