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  1. #21
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    free? hell no, but we shouldn't have to pay full price either for a half the original dev team size, and this slack ass excuse of an understanding our current one holds over, how the game works, how the game is played, how actual game mechanics work and maybe study some laws of probability while at it it before they decide to continue thier retarded romance with R.N.G.'s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    Yeah, I guess NONE of that money went to develop XIII or XIII-2 or XIII versus, or X HD or any of the other games they have made in the time of XI.
    Are you even aware just how big of an operation they are now? They are spread out all over the place. Finallized the buyout of the last division of Eidos just last year I think, and now own the Tomb Raider franchise as well.

    They have PLENTY of revenue streams coming in to help fund new projects. This is an ONGOING project that SHOULD be funding itself at this point.

    2011 Annual reports
    (just a little light reading for those who care to actual have some idea of what SE has going for it now--kinda puts it all in perspective when you see the bigger picture)
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    Paying $12+ a month for shit updates like the one we're getting today is rather unacceptable imo. Either step up the game or cut our subscription fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    Paying $12+ a month for shit updates like the one we're getting today is rather unacceptable imo. Either step up the game or cut our subscription fee.

    For me Todays update is interesting More interesting than the last ones lol
    So like don't QQ everyone gets an Update they like... eventually...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    Are you even aware just how big of an operation they are now? They are spread out all over the place. Finallized the buyout of the last division of Eidos just last year I think, and now own the Tomb Raider franchise as well.

    They have PLENTY of revenue streams coming in to help fund new projects. This is an ONGOING project that SHOULD be funding itself at this point.

    2011 Annual reports
    (just a little light reading for those who care to actual have some idea of what SE has going for it now--kinda puts it all in perspective when you see the bigger picture)
    My point is, no matter what people think, the money you spend is going to be used for many different things, so its very short sighted to believe the fees you pay for XI would ONLY go back into XI. I highly doubt they keep it all separate. Its not like they own several different things where that money stays in different areas. IE Sony with TVs, Blu-Rays, Gaming, all those would be separate because they are different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    My point is, no matter what people think, the money you spend is going to be used for many different things, so its very short sighted to believe the fees you pay for XI would ONLY go back into XI. I highly doubt they keep it all separate. Its not like they own several different things where that money stays in different areas. IE Sony with TVs, Blu-Rays, Gaming, all those would be separate because they are different things.
    And our point is that FFXI is a BIG revenue generator and should be getting more attention. Nearly every <sensible>business will acknowledge that a high revenue generating project deserves to have a considerable amount of it's profits reinvested to maintain/improve that project--whether that is more personnel or upgrading equipment, etc. needed to improve the QoS or efficiency.

    Did you even go through any of the financial statements? Over $60 Million USD (over 5 Billion Yen) in recurring revenue.

    Would be interesting to see just how much of that is from FFXI subs.
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    you dont need to raise the fees to get better results. in fact, raising the fee would be pointless. more people will quit as soon as they get raised. if they wanted more money, all they need to do is make better content so more people will play the game again. they make better quality game play, they get more people in the game. everyone wins. if the dev wanted to make this game better, they would. or maybe they just dont know how too. but if you look at guild wars and guild wars 2 (soon to come out hopefully), they dont have any monthly payments and they are online games. guild wars did just fine. many people still play it. again proving my point that the dev team doesnt need to charge more. they just need to get their head out of their ass and actually play their own game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    Paying $12+ a month for shit updates like the one we're getting today is rather unacceptable imo. Either step up the game or cut our subscription fee.
    Or quit, there's that option too. "Paying $12 a month is unacceptable, make better updates or cut the fees, I'll be damned if I stop paying for something I find unacceptable..YOU FIX IT!"
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    Free to play yes please. The update we are getting just aren't worth my $13 a month.

    I say let the people who want to buy stuff online store pay the fees. There is enough people who buy weapons and armor, xp boosts ect from a cash shop that they actually make more money then they did with sub fees. It works so well in many other mmos the free to play model
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Free to play yes please. The update we are getting just aren't worth my $13 a month.
    I wonder if this is just a 1st world mentality because honestly, if it's not worth your money why aren't you quitting? Serious question. If Charter isn't worth my money I move onto a better cable/internet provider.
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