CHARGE ME MORE $$$

[Rohelius]

Make it free.
There shouldnt be a significant diference in support if they do anyway...

Make a online game store like the korean games if they need money.
They already playing with the idea with the Wakfu game.

[Kimble]

How come XIII and XIII-2 sales aren't used to fund XIV? Or hell, the money they make off of the other FF on PSN? Or any other SE title?

The point is, its all one company. Its to be expected that your money is going to go to many different games, not just the one you are playing.

It has nothing to do with "your XI money going to fund XIV" and more with, XI is fucking 10 years old.

[RAIST]

How come XIII and XIII-2 sales aren't used to fund XIV? Or hell, the money they make off of the other FF on PSN? Or any other SE title?

The point is, its all one company. Its to be expected that your money is going to go to many different games, not just the one you are playing.

It has nothing to do with "your XI money going to fund XIV" and more with, XI is fucking 10 years old.

But that 10 year old game is one of only a few in the franchise still bringing in a steady stream of revenue. As a franchise, the FF series broke 100 Million units sold back in the Summer. Not many of the units sold in the last couple of years were for releases pre FFXI--they were mostly FFXI and forward. Thus, it is still a relevent release in the series.

Also, this game brings in a steady stream of revenue AFTER the initial sale. All they can get off of FF13/13-2 is sideline purchases like game guides and other merchandise tied to those games. Once a consumer buys up what they want/need to play those games, that's it unless they later buy a soundtrack, poster, etc. FFXI easily generates well above $10k USD per server per month for each person actively playing the game (and even those that have gone idle but not cancelled their sub)--whether SE does anything to support those players or not.

Just now, I checked and we have 1424 users online. That could range anywhere from about $9k at 50% being an initial sub to over $18k if it was 100% initial subs--for just one month on just one server. Add in the additional revenue for players not online at this time, mule accounts, any DLC sales, sideline revenues that might get generated in various merchandise as well. This game is still financially relevant to the company, and deserves more attention than it is currently getting.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

When people say this, I wonder if they stop to think that XI was funded off of IX and X sales...

This would almost be plausible, except X never had sales.

[hideka]

because raising the price would totally raise the amount of devs working on the game and not in any way decrease the number of people willing to pay the price.

FFXIV got more done when it was free and still gets more done with a lower sub price.

thats because FF11 funds arent being used to fund ff11. they're being used to fund ff14. you really think that the salaries of the devs and the ammount of development we see actualy merits the 40-50k this game makes SE per month?

[hideka]

heres the break down

average subscription is 13 dollars. each server has an average of 2000 active accounts.
thats 26,000 dollars PER server per month.
with 10 servers ( i think thats arround what we have active right now)
we put up 260k
in one year 3.1MILLION DOLLARS.

theres about 10 devs TOPS working for this game, each probably salraied arround 50k/Y. so 500k for development costs. GMs make minimum wage most likely, and theres about 10 of them probably. thats another 200k. the FF Support people probably have another 20 people working for them, making it 400k.

so SE grosses 3.1Million, Net losses to wages are arround 1.1Million, server maintenance probably runs about 300k/ Year.

so where is that other 1.7 million dollars per year going? because its certianly NOT going into developing FF11 further.
my honest to goodness hypothesis is its going to FF14.

[Kimble]

This would almost be plausible, except X never had sales.

The game has sold 6.6 million units worldwide.

Yeah, guess it didnt do well.

[Kimble]

heres the break down

average subscription is 13 dollars. each server has an average of 2000 active accounts.
thats 26,000 dollars PER server per month.
with 10 servers ( i think thats arround what we have active right now)
we put up 260k
in one year 3.1MILLION DOLLARS.

theres about 10 devs TOPS working for this game, each probably salraied arround 50k/Y. so 500k for development costs. GMs make minimum wage most likely, and theres about 10 of them probably. thats another 200k. the FF Support people probably have another 20 people working for them, making it 400k.

so SE grosses 3.1Million, Net losses to wages are arround 1.1Million, server maintenance probably runs about 300k/ Year.

so where is that other 1.7 million dollars per year going? because its certianly NOT going into developing FF11 further.
my honest to goodness hypothesis is its going to FF14.

Yeah, I guess NONE of that money went to develop XIII or XIII-2 or XIII versus, or X HD or any of the other games they have made in the time of XI.

[Zerich]

Make it free.
There shouldnt be a significant diference in support if they do anyway...

Make a online game store like the korean games if they need money.
They already playing with the idea with the Wakfu game.

oh jeeze, the trolls won't go away until we pay the toll...how much you want?
3.50?

[Washburn]

i see 2200 logged on at one time fairly often, i'd say a more accurate number would be around 5000