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    Player Arbole's Avatar
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Obtainable != Everyone can get it with ease
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    Contradicts vvv
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    The word does NOT mean that the majority can get it
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    It really doesn't.
    We obviously speak 2 different variants of English then because, to me, those 2 sentences contradict each other perfectly.
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    I think "reasonably attainable" would be a better descriptor in this case, as the extremely literal meaning of "obtainable" is much closer to "this thing does in fact exist and somebody can eventually get it somehow" than "somebody can get this without gambling his or her left arm and eyeball for it".

    Really though, is it that hard to figure out the guy means "obtainable within reason"?

    Personally, I'm fine with anything other than Voidwatch Rare Item Drop Rates of Depression for the scrolls. Hard to obtain that's comparable to working in a coal mine is fine by me. "Hard" to obtain that's comparable to playing the lottery over and over is not so fine.
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    They should give you a shovel item, and the scroll has a chance to be anywhere in Sarutabaruta; there can only be one scroll up at a time, and it's position changes every ten minutes. Equivalent to VW drops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    So you want BLM's trademark spell as obtainable as all the other spells..... right!?
    since you need 5other BLM to make it worth using and a 10min ja, yes.

    if it was a "normal" spell (not needing a 10min ja to cast and 5-6 blm to do good dmg) doinglot more dmg than other spells it , yes it should be hard to get
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    So they've gimped Meteor to the point where there's no reason to use it outside of getting five others together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komori View Post
    So they've gimped Meteor to the point where there's no reason to use it outside of getting five others together?
    That's the problem with them bothering to make scrolls so rare. If they plan to make it so rare where every BLM will not be able to obtain it, they have to make it so not every BLM feels as though they have to have it or the outrage will go out of control. Thus it can't be the game breaking spell it probably should be.

    Or maybe they don't think about such things at all and just do whatever... I'm tired of trying to rationalize their inconsistent insanity.
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    Last edited by Camiie; 03-26-2012 at 09:11 PM.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komori View Post
    So they've gimped Meteor to the point where there's no reason to use it outside of getting five others together?
    Gimped? It's easily heaviest spell in the game, if used correctly. BLMs should strive to get it.
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  9. #39
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    We're at 99 at this point, most monsters have well over 10~80k health, they're obviously going to make it rare or expensive to get, why not let it easily hit big numbers? I admittedly don't do much outside of abyssea.

    I'm either on WHM for LS' Limbus runs or working on collecting gear for jobs but I don't like VW, the only real piece I'm striving for is Athos Boots for my BLU and Brego hands for a few other jobs. So I'm not sure about averages with spells outside of lolabyssea, but if Meteor did at least 2~4k more than usual spells, I could be happy with that. It is our "ultimate" spell and it does require a JA and more than likely a grind for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komori View Post
    We're at 99 at this point, most monsters have well over 10~80k health, they're obviously going to make it rare or expensive to get, why not let it easily hit big numbers? I admittedly don't do much outside of abyssea.

    I'm either on WHM for LS' Limbus runs or working on collecting gear for jobs but I don't like VW, the only real piece I'm striving for is Athos Boots for my BLU and Brego hands for a few other jobs. So I'm not sure about averages with spells outside of lolabyssea, but if Meteor did at least 2~4k more than usual spells, I could be happy with that. It is our "ultimate" spell and it does require a JA and more than likely a grind for it.
    It does easily hit big numbers the minute you get 2+ BLM's... It's a group spell in this game, always has been. Since the very first day it was released in the opening movie.
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    Last edited by Daniel_Hatcher; 03-26-2012 at 09:49 PM.

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