[dev1102] Meteor had better be obtainable!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Sorry, I thought it was obvious what I meant, but I'll make it more obvious for the likes of young Mr Hatcher.

By obtainable, I'm talking current 96-99 scrolls obtainable, not augmented lv 99 r/m/e obtainable. SE have said similar statements regarding the obtainability of the arise scroll and the aug 99 r/m/e, so let's not make Meteor another.

So you want BLM's trademark spell as obtainable as all the other spells..... right!?

Then you woke up, come on BCNM Vs. the 3 tarutaru's for a 0.5% drop rate.

[Babekeke]

So you want BLM's trademark spell as obtainable as all the other spells..... right!?

Then you woke up, come on BCNM Vs. the 3 tarutaru's for a 0.5% drop rate.

You're clearly missing the point completely, fella.

If this scroll was going to be so hard to get that only 6 people on every server actually managed to get it, then that would be fine by me to be honest. It's the UBER signature spell for BLM only so it shouldn't be something that every leechedinabyssea BLM mule should have.

The point is, that the dev team have spent most of their time perfecting this spell so that it won't be overpowered, can't be used by 18 BLMs all at once to insta-kill stuff etc. Meanwhile putting aside updates for DRG and SMN (and maybe others that we haven't been told about yet - there's still a lot more on the SE wish list for jobs that hasn't been released).

If it was going to be rare as hell to get, they could have just released it as overpowered, knowing full well that by the time the next update came out, they could still have time to fix it, because no group would have managed to find more than 6 BLMs with Meteor with which to utilise it's over-poweredness.

[Camiie]

So you want BLM's trademark spell as obtainable as all the other spells..... right!?

Then you woke up, come on BCNM Vs. the 3 tarutaru's for a 0.5% drop rate.

So you want it to subject yourself to some masochistic experience for a spell? If wiki is any indication at all even the formerly highly desired Kraken Club has a better drop rate than that and it used to be flat out broken in some cases. From what I've seen on here it doesn't sound like Meteor will be all that game breaking.

Oh well, I guess one person's pointless torture is another person's fun and games.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

"NOT EVERY WHM WILL HAVE ARISE UFUFUFUFU."

Nor do they all have Raise III, point?

Obtainable != Everyone can get it with ease

So you want it to subject yourself to some masochistic experience for a spell? If wiki is any indication at all even the formerly highly desired Kraken Club has a better drop rate than that and it used to be flat out broken in some cases. From what I've seen on here it doesn't sound like Meteor will be all that game breaking.

Oh well, I guess one person's pointless torture is another person's fun and games.

I don't want it to be obtainable by everyone and their mules too, why should it be.

Hard to obtain doesn't necassarily mean stupid drop rates, though admittedly that is lazy SE's current route.

[Camiie]

I don't want it to be obtainable by everyone and their mules too, why should it be.

Because it's just a spell. I say hand the spells out like they do Job Abilities. Let the challenge lie in gearing properly and using the spells to their fullest extent. The possession of a spell shouldn't be the measuring stick for your epeen. It's what you do with the spell that should.

Hard to obtain doesn't necassarily mean stupid drop rates, though admittedly that is lazy SE's current route.

Unfortunately it's the only way SE knows how to control who gets what, and even then the people you don't want to get it will still luck into it or merc it.

[Elexia]

Nor do they all have Raise III, point?

Obtainable != Everyone can get it with ease

Obtainable = The ability to get it in general, not blatantly designed to exclude a large playerbase from gaining it.

Raise III = Obtainable very easily by very easy NMs.

Arise = Specifically designed that IN THEIR WORDS, not every WHM will have it due to the difficulty of gaining it. (What makes it difficult is to be determined.)

Raise III and not everyone having it = No one wanting or needing to fight Kirin or WHM Quadav "HNM", this is why not everyone has it, with Abyssea Raise III is almost near useless.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Obtainable = The ability to get it in general, not blatantly designed to exclude a large playerbase from gaining it.

Raise III = Obtainable very easily by very easy NMs.

Arise = Specifically designed that IN THEIR WORDS, not every WHM will have it due to the difficulty of gaining it. (What makes it difficult is to be determined.)

Raise III and not everyone having it = No one wanting or needing to fight Kirin or WHM Quadav "HNM", this is why not everyone has it, with Abyssea Raise III is almost near useless.

Obtainable = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of planning or endeavor; acquire.

The word does NOT mean that the majority can get it, simply that it can be obtained. Difficulty is irrelevant, if 1 person out of 1 million can get it then it is obtainable.

It's no wonder English posts get translated so badly to English.

[Camiie]

Obtainable = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of planning or endeavor; acquire.

Ok fine, Mr. Word Parser. I would like for it to be realistically obtainable by whoever wants to use it. A challenge? That's fine. Time consuming? No problem. Tucked away where only a tiny fraction will ever even have the slimmest of chances of it dropping? No thanks. Find some other way to make yourself a special snowflake.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ok fine, Mr. Word Parser. I would like for it to be realistically obtainable by whoever wants to use it. A challenge? That's fine. Time consuming? No problem. Tucked away where only a tiny fraction will ever even have the slimmest of chances of it dropping? No thanks. Find some other way to make yourself a special snowflake.

Clarity is a nice thing to have, especially when it is potentially being translated to Japanese, or any other language.

[hiko]

So you want BLM's trademark spell as obtainable as all the other spells..... right!?

since you need 5other BLM to make it worth using and a 10min ja, yes.

if it was a "normal" spell (not needing a 10min ja to cast and 5-6 blm to do good dmg) doinglot more dmg than other spells it , yes it should be hard to get