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    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monchat View Post
    the fact the lower tier will be clearable with less than 6 (per SE) means the supply will increase noticably.



    Ninurta's sash is better and easier to get. there fore the VW belt is crap. What's 5 mil nowadays? 500k of before abyssea? a brown belt was more than that. I remember a discussion in another thread on here, about VW rings. They released 3 wtf rings in the last vw that are not better than some lvl 90 cap rings (from new dynamis NMs), and striclty inferior to mar's ring (1~2M in bazars).
    What you meant to say was "ninurta sash is easier to get IF you have chains of promathia 8-1, you're competent, and you have people to help you kill absolute virtue". I see 10+ kaggen shouts a day. Kaggen belt is far easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    What you meant to say was "ninurta sash is easier to get IF you have chains of promathia 8-1, you're competent, and you have people to help you kill absolute virtue". I see 10+ kaggen shouts a day. Kaggen belt is far easier.
    you dont pope AV you buy the belt from bazaars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monchat View Post
    you dont pope AV you buy the belt from bazaars.
    There are only as many Ninurta's in bazaars as there are people killing AV and getting it to sell.
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    Well I don't know, myself I only see about 2-3 Ninurta's a day, and I see about 10-15 Phasmida, also AV (at least on Phoenix) doesn't seem highly killed, so as for it being easier, idk, money is easy for some hard for others, depends on method. And its not 5 mil on Phoenix either, average prices I ever have seen are between 9-15 mil, mine was 11. Either way in my experience its not nearly as common. I know for a fact Ninurta's is better, thats obvious by the fact that attack>acc not to mention Spell interruption rate for PLD/DRK/RDM and Subtle Blow. All in all imo the best item in the game for that spot of gear for DDs excluding MNK, doesn't change the fact I almost never see them around.

    Also can I say though that if its "easier" to get the worse belt, wouldn't you think it be more fair to get this belt easier, rather than make a shitty belt take 50-200 kills of a NM?
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    I know for a fact Ninurta's is better, thats obvious by the fact that attack>acc not to mention Spell interruption rate for PLD/DRK/RDM and Subtle Blow
    For the love of all that is holy stop thinking that way.

    On anything worth a damn you will not be automatically capping accuracy, this isn't abyssea anymore. I've seen too many of our parses where people are at ~80% accuracy. T6 Voidwatch / Ig / Rex / Prov (pre-fights) / Morta / Bismark are where I see people making this mistake the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    For the love of all that is holy stop thinking that way.

    On anything worth a damn you will not be automatically capping accuracy, this isn't abyssea anymore. I've seen too many of our parses where people are at ~80% accuracy. T6 Voidwatch / Ig / Rex / Prov (pre-fights) / Morta / Bismark are where I see people making this mistake the most.
    Its not abyssea, no, but we are still stocked with Stalwarts for acc, Bravers for DEX(acc), and most DD gear is stocked with acc... Really I don't see how your accuracy can be all to bad when you have all this accuracy given to you easy and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Its not abyssea, no, but we are still stocked with Stalwarts for acc, Bravers for DEX(acc), and most DD gear is stocked with acc... Really I don't see how your accuracy can be all to bad when you have all this accuracy given to you easy and simple.
    With Berserk + Aggressor + Last Resort + Soul Eater + Stalwarts + Bravers and a Jingang (prior to my Rag) I would typically have ~80% on those fights. And I don't have sh!t gear.

    Those things have ridiculously high level correction to go with their ridiculously high stats. Outside of Feint or an Embrava SV BRD zerg you will not be capping accuracy (Relic Wielders notwithstanding).

    6 acc will raise your hit rate by 3%, 6 attack isn't even a drop in the bucket to your Attack Ratio. Thus the attack > accuracy is only true when your fighting relatively weak stuff, otherwise Haste > Accuracy > Attack = DA > STR/DEX as a general rule of thumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    With Berserk + Aggressor + Last Resort + Soul Eater + Stalwarts + Bravers and a Jingang (prior to my Rag) I would typically have ~80% on those fights. And I don't have sh!t gear.

    Those things have ridiculously high level correction to go with their ridiculously high stats. Outside of Feint or an Embrava SV BRD zerg you will not be capping accuracy (Relic Wielders notwithstanding).

    6 acc will raise your hit rate by 3%, 6 attack isn't even a drop in the bucket to your Attack Ratio. Thus the attack > accuracy is only true when your fighting relatively weak stuff, otherwise Haste > Accuracy > Attack = DA > STR/DEX as a general rule of thumb.
    Well, myself I don't actually use DD jobs in VW. I'm always a SCH or BLU, I just went with the idea of it being that way because not many wanted to say much to Mr.VW gear is shit, but when I say Attack>Acc oh its on! But no matter how good or bad VW gear is, it wont matter much, not like were getting any with drops shitty as they are and SE barely doing anything to fix it right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Well, myself I don't actually use DD jobs in VW. I'm always a SCH or BLU, I just went with the idea of it being that way because not many wanted to say much to Mr.VW gear is shit, but when I say Attack>Acc oh its on! But no matter how good or bad VW gear is, it wont matter much, not like were getting any with drops shitty as they are and SE barely doing anything to fix it right?
    VWNM gear is pretty awesome, you gotta ignore pchan he's trolling everyone cause he gets a kick out of it. He says the things he does because it gets people all hot and bothered, best way to deal with him is click the ignore button.

    That being said, it's not always the "best in slot" for every job, so use what you can. Voidwatch has become common now, so the elitists have moved on to Neo-Nyzule 100 gear as their branding of choice. Gotta bust out them Nike's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Fupafighter is a recent player he doesn't have a good grasp of the correct reward/(time spent) ratio. Nin sahs for a few milions is definitely a good deal seing the whole process of just poping AV is taking several days solo (assuming you can solo the pop).
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