Skill

[DrDelicious]

You do realize that everything except healing magic is very important. You are gimp if you don't skill up. People do have a bit of an advantage in abyssea because you don't really need huge skill levels to hit stuff or you can just equip regain atmas. If they ever add more content outside Abyssea the lack of skill will become blatantly obvious.

and not just from being underskilled. player skill has gone out the window because of atmas. mages that dont know how to conserve mp, melees that blindly WS at the start of fights. "tanks" that dont know how to tank properly, the list goes on. atmas have become a major crutch on the game, and i think the biggest mistake that SE has ever made.

[Harpalina]

and not just from being underskilled. player skill has gone out the window because of atmas. mages that dont know how to conserve mp, melees that blindly WS at the start of fights. "tanks" that dont know how to tank properly, the list goes on. atmas have become a major crutch on the game, and i think the biggest mistake that SE has ever made.

Yeah I admit I spam my WS's as WAR. Being a DD doesn't really require much skill. You hit the mob, you do the damage, and you release your WS. Add in some fun job abilities and that's pretty much a DD's life. In Abyssea, there really is no 'tank'. The mobs (hopefully) die fast enough before you do, otherwise the mages are in for a world of hurt, curing your ass. lol. And yes, Atmas have become a crutch for noob-y players and even I admit I rely on atma a little too heavily. I guess it just depends on what you do with what you have...if that makes any sense <.<

[DrDelicious]

Yeah I admit I spam my WS's as WAR. Being a DD doesn't really require much skill. You hit the mob, you do the damage, and you release your WS. Add in some fun job abilities and that's pretty much a DD's life. In Abyssea, there really is no 'tank'. The mobs (hopefully) die fast enough before you do, otherwise the mages are in for a world of hurt, curing your ass. lol. And yes, Atmas have become a crutch for noob-y players and even I admit I rely on atma a little too heavily. I guess it just depends on what you do with what you have...if that makes any sense <.<

yeah, makes total sense. im just saying that ive seen people playing like they were in abyssea outside, and it was total fail. people rely too much on having +15 refresh and +50 MAB, and melees that dont really know what hate management is. and failtanks. and im not saying im above some of the things im bitching about. i love atmas in abyssea. love em. but im just saying they are gimping people for outside abyssea.

and im sure ill get the lolnonabyssea posts. but you know, theres a whole game outside of those 9 zones, and id love to see people actually use those 90+ zones again, for something

[Harpalina]

yeah, makes total sense. im just saying that ive seen people playing like they were in abyssea outside, and it was total fail. people rely too much on having +15 refresh and +50 MAB, and melees that dont really know what hate management is. and failtanks. and im not saying im above some of the things im bitching about. i love atmas in abyssea. love em. but im just saying they are gimping people for outside abyssea.

and im sure ill get the lolnonabyssea posts. but you know, theres a whole game outside of those 9 zones, and id love to see people actually use those 90+ zones again, for something

I love the old school way of levelling. When I was LVing my WAR in my perma party, I would *never* pull any of the stunts that I pull in Abyssea. IE: What you mentioned earlier about WSing at the start of battle. I know there are several people out there that love the new way to exp, and it's nice seeing the exp freefall like that, but I think the game's become way too easy to get to the max level. It was 'easy' when you fought Greater Colibris when BRDs actually did something in parties. Now the game has become mind-numbingly easy. The air of prestige that high levellers were so often thought of years ago has practically no meaning now. "Oh you have a LV 90 job? Psh. I've got 7."

[chrism]

Dont take out guard or parry they are actually useful >.<

[Xine]

and not just from being underskilled. player skill has gone out the window because of atmas. mages that dont know how to conserve mp, melees that blindly WS at the start of fights. "tanks" that dont know how to tank properly, the list goes on. atmas have become a major crutch on the game, and i think the biggest mistake that SE has ever made.

I think every player who has been on this game pre-abyssea has seen this, esp anyone who has done any sort of endgame ranging from easy stuff like Dynamis to the more complex things like Salvage (back when caps were 75 mind you, now its all a joke at 90.) It would be nice to see some of the Endgame activities like Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage and Einherjar make a come back, not them specifically, but something resembling them and WITHOUT the ability to use Atmas because as everyone here has said time and time again, "Atmas and Abyssea's Cruor buffs have gimped player skill."

Its easy to say "stop playing with noobs" but when 90% of your server is noobs because of Abyssea thats impossible not to do. The older players who had any real knowledge of this game and how to play disappeared BECAUSE of Abyssea and how much easier it is to low man (3-6 man Dynamis, solo-3 man Salvage etc.) and makes the gear they worked years to acquire not all completely useless, but less worth using than they used to be.

I look forward to the new changes they are making in the game but I don't want to see every new form of endgame to come take place in Abyssea cuz its bad enough with the way people play now. Yea sure everyone loves Atmas and wants to see high dmg on everything they do, theres a time and place for everything even to see high damage, and certain situations. Idiots running through.

I think I can speak for the older player base when I say bring back some of the older methods of playing, new methods are nice and all, but face it, without Atmas half the people playing aren't that great at their jobs.

My Warrior sucks cuz I had to leech it in abyssea from 68-90 and its not a job I concentrate on getting gear for, however I've been working on it in spare time to make it fail less. My main jobs are Ninja, Thief, Blue Mage and Black Mage, no I have no Empy weapons (mainly cuz theres nobody online I know anymore that aren't abyssea burned fail, or cuz of people blocking me and what few friends I do have from killing the NMs) so I would like to see some new ways for Empy weapons to be obtained, the multi-pop NM idea sounds great, 5 Gukumatz's up at once for ppl to spam claim instead of fighting 10 other groups bot claiming 1 spawn as soon as it pops is the biggest headache I can think of next to having to farm up 150-200mil for a relic/mythic.

[Harpalina]

Abyssea is great, but FFXI has lost the charm it used to have back in the pre-ToAU days. I actually miss the days of seeking for a party in Garlaige Citadel and Yhoator Jungle. Hell, I even miss the Dunes! It's an extremely depressing sight to see Dunes so vacant now...I hardly recognize it. It's great to be able to solo so well now, but I hate how the game's on "Fast and Easy" mode now =\

[Orson]

and not just from being underskilled. player skill has gone out the window because of atmas. mages that dont know how to conserve mp, melees that blindly WS at the start of fights. "tanks" that dont know how to tank properly, the list goes on. atmas have become a major crutch on the game, and i think the biggest mistake that SE has ever made.

I think you're oversimplifying. It's not that people don't know how to conserve mp it's just you don't have to. On that note you play that out like a bad thing. It's not really that fun to be a blm having to rest every 4-6 nukes like you did in the past. The only negative I see is that support jobs have become a bit more vestigial for mages.

As for not needing a tank that wasn't caused by atmas. DD tanking was simply the way the game was moving. The majority of players were using DD tanks on everything and I mean everything. Pld and to a lesser extent War will probably never become the natural go to tank in this game unless SE does something extreme to shift players to use them.

Atma/Cruor buffs have nothing to do with skill at the game. I'm completely talking about weapon and magic skills.

P.S. I've had the misfortune of being stuck helping with a PUG occasionally and I can tell you no amount of atmas/cruor buffs can make up for just being foolish and not doing any research at all.

[DrDelicious]

i will admit that was an oversimplification, and being blm main i do love being able to toss nukes like whoa, i was more referring to any outside of abyssea action. ive even caught myself going crazy outside and reminding myself that i dont have uber refresh. im just stating that atmas are making the player base worse, skill wise. we are getting to used to having them, and its a double edged sword.

[Imole]

Someone mentioned that 90% of there server was noobs because of Abysea. Wrong.
They were alredy noobs you just couldent really tell the difference before abysea because all the gear and merits werethe same. Aby has alowed us to see the vast difference between the noobs and the old school players. IN all honestly I abyburned my RDM. But my WHM was alredy 50+ and my BLM and DRK were alredy 90 with capped skills son all i neededto do was Dia the hell out of some aby mobsand im capped enffebling magic at 90 on RDM.