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  1. #31
    Player Camiie's Avatar
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    When you do one of the limit breaks or just give Luto a new weapon for your NPC, it's obvious he/she is off adventuring when you aren't around. Even though it may not show up in their leveling or gear for gameplay reasons, as far as the storyline is concerned they don't just hang around their Mog House waiting for you to call.

    It's not inconceivable that they could find a way to get to the same places we have. It may be a similar way, or it may be a different one. Heck, make it a running gag that our fellow can manage to stumble into places that we must put forth a great deal of effort to enter.
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    Last edited by Camiie; 03-30-2012 at 10:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    However, the development team will need to look into whether there are any problems lore-wise for this.
    So does that mean that SMN will no longer be allowed to enter Windurst, and COR will be unable to enter White Gate?
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerich View Post
    So does that mean that SMN will no longer be allowed to enter Windurst, and COR will be unable to enter White Gate?
    There's no lore that forbids adventurers from taking up SMN. It was a stipulation in the armistice between Windurst and the Yagudo Theocracy that Windurst would not employ summoners in it's armed forces, I believe. (I think there also was another reason, possibly to do with Fenrir, but I can't recall it atm. I think the last missions in Windurst deal with that.)

    Similar situation with COR. They aren't forbidden from entering Whitegate, but they are supposed to have gone extinct 200 years earlier. And Nashmeira has stopped Aht Urhgan from showing any more aggression against those with Ephramad ancestry.

    For the fellow to enter areas previously inaccessible, they would either need to retcon lore or make new lore and quests to expand on the new areas opening up to the fellow.
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    How is being able to kill the Archduke 3 Times, Shadow Lord 3 times, and Talk to people like they've never met you when you switch nations any less of a retcon than letting NPCs go to new areas? Pretty sure erasing my memory can't bring the dead back to life.

    (This isn't all toward you Kristal.) But, forgive me for being quite frank, But my care for "Lore" Goes out the window the second its used as an excuse to hold off any positive content that would help the playerbase. If I'm not mistaken, Lore says our NPC is an Adventurer just like us, there is absolutely nothing keeping them from reaching sky any more than what kept every single other Adventurer in Vana'diel.

    Here's a quest:

    NPC: "I found a crystal, Its blue!"
    Me: "Yah, That takes you to Tu'Lia, land of the gods"
    NPC: "Neat, Wanna go there?"
    Me: "Sure."
    END OF F**KING DIALOGUE

    Or:


    "Oh, I found this Blue crystal, And asked around, found a Mithra in Rabao who had one very similar"
    "she mentioned giving you one! she said you told her it took you to an ancient city?" (Hint: If you talk to the Mithra you got the crystal for after Zilart, You tell her it took you to Tu'Lia, But shes like "YAH RIGHT LOL")
    "That lead me here."
    Your NPC Has Sky access yay

    I mean, you get your Crystal from some Mithra sitting in Rabao who has no idea what it is. You literally buy it from some junk peddler, LORE BRO. your NPC for all we know could find it while out exploring any of the countless hours they're doing it, because according to lore, thats what they do when you don't call them, Adventure.

    It would take 1 line of text to explain why your NPC can visit anywhere:

    "Your Adventuring Fellow is an Adventurer just like yourself".

    Oh Wait, Thats the already in the Lore. They are as special as you are. They are an adventurer. They can do the same things you can, They just haven't. Give me a quest to get them to those places. They jumped into Atomos with me to (S), they can do everything else.

    The real reason its not being considered is frankly Devs don't have enough time to devote to meaningful things, and NPCs aren't exactly "popular". Plus they have to consider balance in places like Dynamis, Which frankly is baffling to me, as Balance went out the window with DipperYuly and FaithfulFalcor, bringing in an NPC Healer would just make me consider going on THF more than BST.

    To combat what NPCs could bring to Dynamis, they could simply increase the ammount of Enemies a small portion, Or reduce their respawn timers, But that'd be too beneficial, and You'd have to consider what that would do to currency supply.

    Really, I don't envy their job of "Balancing" FFXI, But, I wish sometimes they'd just be like "fk balance" and give us something we can really enjoy, instead of worrying so much about balance than half the stuff they introduce is boring, stale, and so ridiculous that its not even fun. They're so gung-ho about balancing this game they forget that its actually a game. Its suppose to be fun.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 03-31-2012 at 01:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    There's no lore that forbids adventurers from taking up SMN. It was a stipulation in the armistice between Windurst and the Yagudo Theocracy that Windurst would not employ summoners in it's armed forces, I believe. (I think there also was another reason, possibly to do with Fenrir, but I can't recall it atm. I think the last missions in Windurst deal with that.)
    So I shouldn't be able to do Windy missions as SMN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    Similar situation with COR. They aren't forbidden from entering Whitegate, but they are supposed to have gone extinct 200 years earlier. And Nashmeira has stopped Aht Urhgan from showing any more aggression against those with Ephramad ancestry.
    COR job-quest cutscene anyone? Imperial BLU's should aggro CORs.

    Alas, I'm just being the devil's advocate. But I'm just trying to make sense with their justification of lore.
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    Well if the adventuring Fellows are so much like us how come they aren't updated with on spells and why don't they have job traits? Kind of sucks that they don't have auto refresh..
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    You've been trolled! You've been trolled you have probably been told, "don't reply to this guy, he is just getting a rise out of you," yes its true you respond and that's his cue to start trouble on the double while he strokes his manly stubble. You've been trolled you've been trolled you should probably just fold when the only winning move is not to play! And yet you keep on trying mindlessly replying, you've been trolled, you've been trolled, have a nice day!

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    I thought Stalwart Shield had auto-refresh trait. <.<
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    that's what

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerich View Post
    So I shouldn't be able to do Windy missions as SMN.


    COR job-quest cutscene anyone? Imperial BLU's should aggro CORs.

    Alas, I'm just being the devil's advocate. But I'm just trying to make sense with their justification of lore.
    You're not with the armed forces of Windurst. As an adventurer, you're not bound by any agreements that Windurst made.

    And that COR cutscene takes place well before Nashmeira takes the throne.
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  9. #39
    Player Camiie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulrogg View Post
    I thought Stalwart Shield had auto-refresh trait. <.<
    It does, but Soothing Healer doesn't. That's probably what they meant.
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    Actually, judging by the titles you get when buying CP items, adventurers are considered a part of the armed forces.
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