Suggestion: Remove Abyssea Time restrictions

[Tagus]

Most of the time, they don't even do any of that. They find people that are gullable enough and just flat out take their money and provide no exp/cruor/merit service. Almost every time I've logged on, I see a shout or yell about someone who got jipped from the notorious RMT names.

Even then, if were anywhere near the problem people make them out to be all that would have to be done is lower or eliminate the price of cruor bought items. Problem solved.

But wait Tagus, that would pose a problem for all the people advocating against removing or increasing time in abyssea areas. We can't be having that now, can we?

Haha... I don't even think those guys are RMT.... just random people taking advantage of others. RMT at least understand that if you screw over your customer base and start scaring people away from joining your parties, your profits will suffer! But seriously... this argument is amazing.

OMG abyssea... if it didn't have a time restriction the RMT would be unstoppable and the economy would colllapse!!!

Really? Because an organized, money-motivated group of RMT isn't capable of farming f'ing lights? Because they would rather run a team of mules back and forth NPC'ing trash than bring a widowmaker WAR and a phalanx RDM out to abyssea on several servers at a time, and make 100k/hr multiplied by 16 people per server? God, I don't even want to figure the math on that one but here we go...

100k/hr X 16 people = 1.6 million gil/ hour total

1.6 million gil/hour X $14/mil = what... 21 bucks an hour per party, per server?

Fucking hell, I barely make that individually, and those bastards make it playing a video game, while living in a 3rd world country.

[Carala]

You're completely right.

An observation: out of the MMO's I've played, somehow it's always been snobby self-absorbed tools & ihavevirtuallyalmostalldayeverydaytoplay FFXI kiddies / unemployed losers who ever have a problem with RMT's or ever default to them beng the sole problem for a shitty player driven economy.

Your average game player, at least everyone who doesn't seem to play this game and others like it as a job, typically in my experience could care less what people do with ingame currency.

[Tagus]

You're completely right.

An observation: out of the MMO's I've played, somehow it's always been snobby self-absorbed tools & ihavevirtuallyalmostalldayeverydaytoplay FFXI kiddies / unemployed losers who ever have a problem with RMT's or ever default to them beng the sole problem for a shitty player driven economy.

Your average game player, at least everyone who doesn't seem to play this game and others like it as a job, typically in my experience could care less what people do with ingame currency.

I don't even know if it's an issue of liking, disliking, or caring about RMT... it's more an issue of understanding how they function within the game, how SE limits them, how they circumvent those limits, and the difference between things that would effect them and things that would not.

[FrankReynolds]

So to recap:

1. The time limit does not stop people from exploiting abyssea for cruor / gil by cleaving etc.
2. The time limit does not stop people from Monopolizing Notorious Monsters by botting (does anyone really do this?).
3. The time limit does not stop large groups from Monopolizing timed NMs and ??? NMs while simultaneously farming Cruor and / or KI from gold chests.

As far as I can tell, the time limit is an inconvenience to people who do abyssea casually / infrequently... and absolutely no problem for people who spam abyssea for purposes of exploiting it.

[Sfchakan]

Sure, it does not prevent people from doing it, but it does help bottleneck the nonstop abuse that would occur otherwise. Stop defending this suggestion. You can pretend you're right all you want to, but it only helps your +1 circle jerk. It will not get this suggestion implemented.

[FrankReynolds]

Sure, it does not prevent people from doing it, but it does help bottleneck the nonstop abuse that would occur otherwise. Stop defending this suggestion. You can pretend you're right all you want to, but it only helps your +1 circle jerk. It will not get this suggestion implemented.

Nonstop abuse besides the things listed above that are already happening nonstop?

What makes you think they won't do this? They do this stuff all the time. They add a new system / zone / whatever, and make it artificially hard with timers etc. because they know that hardcore big LSs are going to spam the crap out of it. Then when all the die hard players have moved on to the next cool thing, they decrease the difficulty so that casual players can breeze through it with the same degree of ease that the die hard players did. All this abuse your talking about amounts to nothing. What happens if it takes a week less to build an empyrian weapon? or if Joe gilbuyer farms his own cruor instead of buying gil from the RMT that are already there 24/7? Does tanaka kill a kitten? Does the world end?

[Arcon]

There is a reason that you cannot remove the time limit. It's not about being annoying. It's about RMT.

The entire argument is flawed. First of all, they would already do that (just as easily), if it was profitable. But blinkers aren't the best way to make gil for them. They'd have to pay for 18 accounts to get anywhere near that number. Right now they only have to pay for 2 accounts to do FC parties all day. And several of them would have to be active, killing different mobs all the time and keeping the party alive, they couldn't just multibox them. One of them would also have to waste cruor on opening chests. And sustaining 100k/hr is also not easily, especially when chains are so easy to fuck up and if just one other party decides to show up and cleave their mobs, they're fucked.

Secondly, flooding the market with gil goes completely against their own interest. If the value of gil decreases, less people will buy their "product", because they get less for their money and they'd have to make even more to compensate for it. They would break their own business. Their best bet is to get the money that's currently in circulation, so again FC is their business of choice.

And finally, as was said before, you can do it now just as easily. The time restriction does not help one bit. You don't have to come back in after you sleep (which wouldn't matter for them anyway, they'd just change shifts, it would only gimp normal players in that regard), because the time you get in 3h alone would be enough to sleep through an entire night without losing your status (I know, because you've done it several times without even trying).

SE has a glitch for that and you'll randomly lose status after a certain period of time. There's a reason. GIL.

You believe that a glitch is in place for a purpose? Also, that glitch happens so rarely, it's negligible. I only know about it from reading on these forums, and I've been in Abyssea for days on end before. There's no reason for this glitch, definitely not a useless one as that.

The point isn't farming lights, which is negligible. What you're missing is farming the cruor chain, which is less than negligible.

No, it's exactly that, negligible. Getting the cruor chain to max takes 30min, 1h if they suck as much as many RMT do. So that takes 1h out of the 15~16 you mentioned, so it would reduce their gain from 84M to 79M. So you're saying 84M is ok, but 79M isn't? And that's assuming that in that one hour they get no cruor at all, which is also wrong. And assuming they don't do this for 24h/day, which is also wrong. And assuming they don't have to do this even without the limit as well, which is also wrong. Even if there was no time limit at all, they'd have to reenter to sell the cruor to a NPC at some point. The time limit plays absolutely no factor in any of these calculations.

Yeah that's not different than now. Not at all.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

So to recap:

1. The time limit does not stop people from exploiting abyssea for cruor / gil by cleaving etc.
2. The time limit does not stop people from Monopolizing Notorious Monsters by botting (does anyone really do this?).
3. The time limit does not stop large groups from Monopolizing timed NMs and ??? NMs while simultaneously farming Cruor and / or KI from gold chests.

As I said before, the actual only argument people have against it is "too easy!" which is only valid if you consider it hard now. Everything else is just noise. None of their "arguments" about exploiting anything holds water. There don't need to be any bottlenecks because Abyssea is old. Most people have what they want. And God forbid those darned new players can suddenly camp Berstuk with ease.

[hiko]

I don't mean to be rude, but do you have any real understanding of how the RMT are manipulating blinkers? They don't build cruor chains, they sell FC spots and focus on EXP to attract customers who buy into the party, and probably reach 100-150 cruor per kill max. Even using your example and under the current system, let's say they farm lights, they get their 18 characters up to 600 cruor/kill, they farm as long as they want to, and then they buy/sell chocobo blinkers. Think about it for a sec... if you took away the time limit, how would they be effected in that process? They wouldn't have to farm lights... which probably takes them 30 minutes or less. It's not going to effect the economy in the slightest if they don't have to spend that 30 minutes out of a 10 or 20 hour party farming lights. Many of these cleaves are infinite, with mules shouting for members in jeuno as the party lasts hours or even days. The time restriction does absolutely nothing to limit them. I mean... if you don't get it, you don't get it. That's fine and I can accept that. I've always hated RMT as much as the next person. But please don't use it as a crutch for a shitty argument.

azure cruors coffers say "Hi!" so they would still cap azure.

their is no reason to let time limit, but since it's fucking easy to get TE there isn't any reason to remove it either.
Deal with it and let dev works on bigger issues!

[Broso]

I don't find abyssea hard, and am working on finishing my 9th and 10th emps currently. However, I would enjoy it a lot more if when I had 15-20 minutes to play I could go claim X nm then go back to whatever I have to do in my life. I work full time, go to school full time, and have obligations to my family that basically never let me sit at my computer for more than an hour straight. Burning stones isn't an issue, however, I would be more likely to gold box farm than congest NMs if I were able to sit in a corner while unable to play. To the guy who mentioned that people would just build amber, you are still limited by how many KI you can hold. A soloist is going to spend a lot of time getting the wrong KI, but also probably isn't going to be cleaving either. There is no one saying that the content is too hard, and to say removing the restriction would make it easier doesn't serve to eliminate the main point of this argument.

The time limit currently doesn't serve the function of limiting time in abyssea for a majority of the playerbase. The players effected by the time limit are severely hindered while most people would notice no difference with or without the time limit. Choco blinkers is a poor argument for having a time limit, the amount of gil added this way would basically stay the same as now if this were even how RMT made their bread and butter. It isn't, and the way they do make their money isn't effected by time limits.

I do agree it would help to remove some congestion in abyssea if cruor/gil ratio was lowered but I don't know a good way to solve this because people would just move on to selling VW cells anyways.

Let's be honest, anyone who would really be helped a lot by the removal of a time limit probably isn't the type to be knocking emps out by the day. I bypass this limitation by having multiple characters so I don't need to spend any of my extremely limited time shouting for members for anything I want, fortunately I am lucky enough to be in that situation. I don't, however, think that everyone should have to pay for multiple characters to bypass a limitation that essentially doesn't serve any real function at this point. I had a lot more time to play in the past where I could join an exp party and get 10ish hours then go to town farming but that just isn't life anymore and I assume there are others in the same boat.

Plus, if RMT are making this game too hard then maybe you should take your own advice and suck less.

[RAIST]

you do realize this is not meant to be a solo game.....just saying. that's really all this would do, is make it easier for the soloer. This <shouldn't> be an issue for people who do these kinds of things with friends, or even PUG for that matter, so long as they are organized.