Suggestion: Remove Abyssea Time restrictions

[Shadowsong]

If old outdated content is an acceptable solution to you, than I'm not sure what to say. Most of the stuff I've done... a lot of times. Abyssea is however freshly new to me. Some stuff from ToAU & WoG are new to me, but they aren't to many who are still around, and thus they simply don't do this content. If I could solo everything in that content, I'd rather just go play a single player game.

Sorry to break this to you, but Abyssea is old, outdated content.

[Tamoa]

You're either a completely oblivious new player who has never done a spit of endgame for FFXI, or you are a dedicated troll. Whichever it is, I recommend quitting.

Reading through the last few pages of this thread, it seems you're almost right:

I was not able to have my character restored (account cancelled in 2004). When I decided to play again in January, I had to start from scratch.

@Carala - when you haven't played in over 7 years and still whine about all the "outdated" content and things you don't want to do, I do wonder why you came back in the first place. There's "outdated" content you never even tried because it wasn't around when you quit the first time.

That's just fucking retarded. Most peopl who have an abundance of stones that "will never run out" are people who have quit for a length of time and renewed their subscription.

Well that's just a load of bs. The only break I ever took from this game was when the earthquake hit Japan a year ago. I have 703 traverser stones with npc and 5 on me. And I know a lot of people - that, just like me, haven't quit or been on breaks - with more stones than me.


Edit: Just noticed this:

4) Magian Trials - I refuse to do these out of principle that you do the same thing and kill the same NM's 100's and 100's of times, amongst gambling drops with greedy players (guild friends or not). Farming these weapons are a pathetic waste of time spent in this game.

Sounds to me like you don't have any friends in this game? Oh and if bettering one (or more) jobs by getting the best (or one of the best) weapons for it, is a waste of time in your eyes, then I REALLY question why you play. Why are you wanting unlimited access to Abyssea then? What do you do in there? Exp? Surely you can get TEs when exping?

5) Forced NM's. Because camping in the same position for hours & hours for items that the NM may drop, that I don't need is fun? So is logging in every 10 hours to see if it's spawned, right?

That would be timed spawn NMs, not forced. And there are barely any left of those in this game, in case you didn't notice. At least with any worthwhile drops.

6) Crafting - ...... really? Anyone would even mention crafting as a suggestion? Huge waste of time, it's boring, farming items to craft things is boring given how out of touch the dev team is with the skill up system in this game, and I don't even need the miniscule amount of gil it'd make me.

Ever heard of synergy? Any idea what kind of gil you can make with capped synergy and the right subcrafts?


Ow my head -.-

[FrankReynolds]

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

Your strawman argument is a strawman argument. LOL @ attacking his technique instead of addressing the argument itself which was: that adding things that are in no way shape or form fun just so that people waste time is bad.

He's also correct in that if you are arguing that the time limit is needed then you are also by extension arguing that you have difficulty getting time. Which is hilarious being as you clearly think you are great.

[Waldrich]

The only truth behind all this discussion... a NEW character need to wait sometime before effectively farm things into abyssea... while other people can do it all the time... I have a 27 days character and I can't farm +1/+2 w/o help from my friends with trigger + TE, If you're hardcore w/o hardcore friends you're completly lost; having a new character into the game "NOW".

Increase the limit to 240 won't solve much, but we can farm time into exp PT. (helpfull).
I'd suggest to give a new abyssea player "daily quest" to get traveler stones.

Removal of Abyssea Time Restriction will become Empyrean Weapon VERY EASY to obtain.

As it's now I have precious 7 traveler stones!!! I can't do nothing atm Oh shit I need to farm feet (Atthowa Chasm) hahahaha

Sorry English isn't my native language. I tried my best.

[RAIST]

The only truth behind all this discussion... a NEW character need to wait sometime before effectively farm things into abyssea... while other people can do it all the time... I have a 27 days character and I can't farm +1/+2 w/o help from my friends with trigger + TE, If you're hardcore w/o hardcore friends you're completly lost; having a new character into the game "NOW".

Increase the limit to 240 won't solve much, but we can farm time into exp PT. (helpfull).
I'd suggest to give a new abyssea player "daily quest" to get traveler stones.

Removal of Abyssea Time Restriction will become Empyrean Weapon VERY EASY to obtain.

As it's now I have precious 7 traveler stones!!! I can't do nothing atm Oh shit I need to farm feet (Atthowa Chasm) hahahaha

Sorry English isn't my native language. I tried my best.

But, as mentioned earlier, there is soooo much more a new player can do OTHER than abyssea. Things like unlocking subjobs, leveling said subjobs, earning home nation's (and optionally other nations') rank, completing quests to raise fame, getting Chocobo License, Airship Pass, Sea Access, Sky Access, TAU Access, farming Artifact Armor, Limit Breaks, completeing quests for quested only spells/equipment/weaponskills, skilling up, Campaign Battles to increase WotG rank, getting the WotG maps (quested), Dynamis and Limbus (and gear from said zones, which require repeated participation to acquire), Nyzul Isle, Assaults, Salvage, Einherjar....omg the list goes on even longer.

All the while.....because you aren't spending any time in Abyssea while working on all this other content, your base stones are building in the background. Then, when you get a nice linkshell you are comfortable with and can then gather a few friends to help you find your abysites, you will get one that will multiply your stone stock immediately (Celerity Abyssites are retroactive--it recalculates the time passed since you started Abyssea and you gain the extra stones you would have aquired at the faster rate, so if it's been one month or so since you started abyssea, for each Celerity you get, you can pick up to ~18 free stones instantly).

All you have to do is just unlock Abyssea as soon as you can, then play the game somewhere other than in Abyssea for a while and then go get your Abyssites of Celerity--the first two of which are basically purchased. One is quested by simply trading an item you can buy off the AH (which you get back and can re-sell it back on the AH), the other is purchased for 9000 cruor. So.....after farting around for a month or so after unlocking Abyssea, then spending a spot of gil on the AH, and joining ONE decent Abyssea party for farm a spot of Cruor.....you can get up to a FREE 36 stones, depending on just how much time has passed. At this point, you get 2 stones every 24 hours. After that, you can farm the third Celerity off the Tonberries (fairly easy to do...some jobs could solo these early on) to get another ~18 free stones. This will finally cap you at getting a stone every 8 hours.

Stone stock problem virtually fixed for a new player....work smarter, not harder.

[Carala]

May I ask why you play this game?
No one here asked you to, so no one here wants to hear you whine about it.
(1) I find people to do Limbus with me whenever I want to, do you have any friends?
(2) You obviously have no clue about even recent updates to the game if you are comparing Neo-Dynamis to Dynamis you grinded in 2003.
(3) LOL soloing assault
(4) Magian trials take less time, less effort, less knowledge, and less aggrivation than 90% of content at any period of time in the game, seriously, do you even play this game or are you trolling from another forum?
(5) I can't even form the words to debunk this one, #mymindisfulloffuck
(6) Crafting... meh

Ok, so you hate old content for stupid reasons, thats fine. Why don't you do Walk of Echoes, VoidWatch, NeoNyzul, or Legion like the rest of the goddamned player base?

edit: Jesus Christ you can't even use the correct game terminology (lolguild). I call BS on this guy having played before

Jesus Christ! I choose not to use "correct" game terminology. Linkshell reads dumb as fuck, sort of.. like you. Just because this game out of the many many more MMO's have come before & after it don't use anything but "guild", as that's what they really are, it's been my choice to use the proper name for calling a Linkshell, what it really is. I'm not sorry at all that I'm purposely not politically correct enough for you. Get over yourself.

Despite the annoyances of this game, it's still pretty fun and if I'm having fun guess what? I play it. I don't owe you or anyone any reasons of why I choose to play.

And no one here asked for you to chime in with your opinion, about anything. On any thread, but yet you're all over them like a whore to cock.

1) I have a few.. LINKSHELLS I'm in, not one single person in any of them do this content. Virtually all of them are veteran players and they spend most of their time dicking around in abyssea. See bottom of post.
2) I admit, I haven't gone to do any dynamis since I returned but just looking at the page listed updates to it.... You obviously have no clue what dynamis was like before CoP, if you're considering that drastically different.
3) LOL! Read the post following, common knowledge that you just don't go do some of this stuff solo. Even more common knowledge that you don't just have a group of people wanting to do it at a moment's notice, much less in a reasonable time frame upon logging in.
4) Let's dissect this just a little: You do a quest that requires killing some lowbie timed / lottery NM a handful of times. You have to essentially this same routine 2-4 times. Others involve scoring xxx killing blows / weapon skills used on xxx mob in xxx weather. Then eventually you get to killing the same abyssea zone bosses / stronger NM's, over and over and over and over and over again for 50 of their items. Sounds (fun) and (interest)ing. That's sarcasm by the way.

In no way do I think emp weapons should be served on a platter, but let's face it. Doing essentially the same thing about 9 times for a single item isn't challenging. It's certainly not fun. If anyone finds that fun, I have to think they're out of their mind. But to each their own.
5) This one is as full of fail as your other retorts.
6) We agree. Meh.

Refer back to #3 for VW, Nyzul, etc. Occasionally there's a shout in Jeuno for some VW group. Never anything else. It's a bit on the impossible side to do any of this when 1) Everyone you know & care to actually play with happen to live 4 hours ahead. So unless I want the opportunity to do some of these things with people who aren't tools, I'd either have to bail on my friends and/or be like you - quit my job so I can play at opportune hours.

[Arcon]

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

That is not a strawman argument, it's an analogy. A strawman argument would be if the situation I created was different to the actual situation and only tried to fool people into thinking it compares. My analogy was applying your reasoning to a similar situation which better exemplified the flawed reasoning your argument presented. While the situation does not compare fully, it is indeed similar and was closer to a reductio ad absurdum than a strawman argument. Also, for a strawman argument I would have to actually attack the situation I created, but I didn't. I attacked the original situation (which was the time restriction in Abyssea) and presented my analogy at the very end of my post to sum up how ridiculous the argument of the opposing party looks to me.

[Shadowsong]

^
Ill just let that post do all the talking for me

[Carala]

It's cute that you feel anything Arcon just wrote works for you. Back to grade school: "I'm right, you're wrong, I win."

[Sfchakan]

Obvious troll is obvious. I just found someone new to avoid on Odin.

All of the people who are new to abyssea should either a) look for or b) start EXP alliances in the zones they are interested in farming. It's really simple. Get to 300-400 minutes and farm away. You kids who are new definitely need the exp/merits, so there's no point in arguing that this sucks. This is what many of us did when Abyssea first came out in order to have time to farm seals and items. We had nothing handed to us like you guys are asking for.