Suggestion: Remove Abyssea Time restrictions

[Carala]

Let's riddle your post full of holes.

1) Temenos - I've done it already, finding people who want to is near impossible. It's old content
2) Dynamis - boring, I don't want or need anything from it. I grinded this back in 03 & 04', why would I want to do it again? See last part of 1)
3) Assault - Because solo'ing things all the time is fun?
4) Magian Trials - I refuse to do these out of principle that you do the same thing and kill the same NM's 100's and 100's of times, amongst gambling drops with greedy players (guild friends or not). Farming these weapons are a pathetic waste of time spent in this game.
5) Forced NM's. Because camping in the same position for hours & hours for items that the NM may drop, that I don't need is fun? So is logging in every 10 hours to see if it's spawned, right?
6) Crafting - ...... really? Anyone would even mention crafting as a suggestion? Huge waste of time, it's boring, farming items to craft things is boring given how out of touch the dev team is with the skill up system in this game, and I don't even need the miniscule amount of gil it'd make me.

If old outdated content is an acceptable solution to you, than I'm not sure what to say. Most of the stuff I've done... a lot of times. Abyssea is however freshly new to me. Some stuff from ToAU & WoG are new to me, but they aren't to many who are still around, and thus they simply don't do this content. If I could solo everything in that content, I'd rather just go play a single player game.

[Zerich]

Let's riddle your post full of holes.

1) Temenos - I've done it already, finding people who want to is near impossible. It's old content
2) Dynamis - boring, I don't want or need anything from it. I grinded this back in 03 & 04', why would I want to do it again? See last part of 1)
3) Assault - Because solo'ing things all the time is fun?
4) Magian Trials - I refuse to do these out of principle that you do the same thing and kill the same NM's 100's and 100's of times, amongst gambling drops with greedy players (guild friends or not). Farming these weapons are a pathetic waste of time spent in this game.
5) Forced NM's. Because camping in the same position for hours & hours for items that the NM may drop, that I don't need is fun? So is logging in every 10 hours to see if it's spawned, right?
6) Crafting - ...... really? Anyone would even mention crafting as a suggestion? Huge waste of time, it's boring, farming items to craft things is boring given how out of touch the dev team is with the skill up system in this game, and I don't even need the miniscule amount of gil it'd make me.

If old outdated content is an acceptable solution to you, than I'm not sure what to say. Most of the stuff I've done... a lot of times. Abyssea is however freshly new to me. Some stuff from ToAU & WoG are new to me, but they aren't to many who are still around, and thus they simply don't do this content. If I could solo everything in that content, I'd rather just go play a single player game.

You're either a completely oblivious new player who has never done a spit of endgame for FFXI, or you are a dedicated troll. Whichever it is, I recommend quitting.

[Carala]

And you're completely wrong, on both guesses. I recommend a stfu.

[Dazusu]

And you're completely wrong, on both guesses. I recommend a stfu.

Bad troll. Angry too. Delicious.

[RAIST]

Let's riddle your post full of holes.

3) Assault - Because solo'ing things all the time is fun?

umm....when did this become soloable?

[Carala]

It didn't. It's unspoken knowledge that you don't just login and presto, you have 5 other people ready & willing to do whatever it is that you want to do.

However, if you want people readily available to do ANYTHING remotely "end-game" in this game, guess what they're looking to do? You guessed it, abyssea content. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have the time nor desire to login, and wait 2+ hours for enough (Interest) to go do all the fail that Zerich so graciously pointed out.

And Dazusu, do you even know what a troll is? And yes, I'm very angry. So much that I've smashed 3 laptops while trying to make this post. You got me.

[Arcon]

In short OP and OP-sympathizers, you guys missed out on 2 years worth of content/stones. <That's too bad.>

Sure, most of us have been building stones since Visions of Abyssea was released. Fast forward to today, we have over a year's (minus the ones we've obviously used) worth of stones to use in Aby. We got these stones from paying and keeping our accounts active during this time.

Ok, I thought that's what you meant but didn't wanna reply without confirmation, as it makes you sound kinda stupid, and I hate to just flat out assume this about people. First of all, the only people who built up stones since the beginning are the people who used them and thus are people who didn't miss out on content. And secondly, you seem to think that we make this request because we have no stones, which is bullshit. I have over 500 and I've been doing Abyssea continuously for almost two years now and have every +2 item for all my jobs as well as done lots of empyreans for my linkshell (most without chest/time farming).

And that was our entire point: the time restriction isn't limiting anything or anyone. Everyone has more stones than they know what to do with. The time restriction does absolutely nothing but force people to reenter every few hours. That's what it has come down to, and if you don't see that you're the one who truly believes that maintaining Abyssea time is somehow hard.

Ternemos (sp), Dynamis, Assault, Einherjar (sp), Trials of the Magian, every NM that isn't a forced pop, and crafting say, "Hi!"

Crafting: Not in any way time restricted.
Trials: Not in any way time restricted, unless you count NM trials, which you've already covered with "NMs".
NMs: Not at all time restricted unless you count the rage-timer. Waiting for repop is not the same as a time restriction, it's what's called limited availability, which is an aspect that applies to Dynamis, Limbus, Assault and Einherjar as well, and which, in turn, does not apply to Abyssea.

And here's the thing about limited availability. They're limited because these events offer something that could otherwise be completely extremely quickly. If Assaults had no cooldown or tag recover time, people would do them exactly once, one day long and never again. Same goes for Einherjar (spam all chambers and Odin all day until everyone gets their favorite abjuration), Limbus (Homam/Nashira) and Dynamis (bar relic farming). You could literally finish everything those events had to offer in a day if there was no time limit on it, again, except relic farming. That is impossible with Abyssea. Abyssea needs large scale exposure to be even done efficiently, and it will still take you days and weeks to finish just your +2 items and get some useful NM drops. That is the main difference here.

The purpose for the Abyssean time limit was very clear, when it was released. Times have changed. The restriction is simply not needed anymore. Most people are completely done with Abyssea, congestion is a non-issue. People can already blow as many stones as they want on it, so actual time investment is also a non-issue. So, what exactly is the issue?

The only argument I ever hear against it is "It's making it easier" which is bullshit, if you believe that you admit that getting time is hard. And aside from that, it's not even a good argument, because there's nothing wrong with making casual content easier.

[RAIST]

It didn't. It's unspoken knowledge that you don't just login and presto, you have 5 other people ready & willing to do whatever it is that you want to do.

However, if you want people readily available to do ANYTHING remotely "end-game" in this game, guess what they're looking to do? You guessed it, abyssea content. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have the time nor desire to login, and wait 2+ hours for enough (Interest) to go do all the fail that Zerich so graciously pointed out.

And Dazusu, do you even know what a troll is? And yes, I'm very angry. So much that I've smashed 3 laptops while trying to make this post. You got me.

well..if you are organized and form a "static", then yes... you can log on and have people ready and willing to go do an event. Not like that's a new concept.....it's old school planning that they used to do with entire linkshells dedicated to specific events. Now you just can do it on a smaller scale in a more casual atmosphere than before is all.

Took just over a month for 4 of us to meet once a week to get to Nyzul floor 100. Not like that took any kind of massive planning....just needed a few friends who could all get on within a set time frame once a week (or more often, depending on how fast you want to get through them). Next on the agenda after we clear a few more objectives that have come up is to run all the assault missions. Same thing....set up a time, everyone on at that time, and we will do them. Then we'll eventually move on to the rest of the TAU content. Not rocket science, just takes a little forethought is all. Same goes for Abyssea--just need to work smarter.

[Shadowsong]

Let's riddle your post full of holes.

1) Temenos - I've done it already, finding people who want to is near impossible. It's old content
2) Dynamis - boring, I don't want or need anything from it. I grinded this back in 03 & 04', why would I want to do it again? See last part of 1)
3) Assault - Because solo'ing things all the time is fun?
4) Magian Trials - I refuse to do these out of principle that you do the same thing and kill the same NM's 100's and 100's of times, amongst gambling drops with greedy players (guild friends or not). Farming these weapons are a pathetic waste of time spent in this game.
5) Forced NM's. Because camping in the same position for hours & hours for items that the NM may drop, that I don't need is fun? So is logging in every 10 hours to see if it's spawned, right?
6) Crafting - ...... really? Anyone would even mention crafting as a suggestion? Huge waste of time, it's boring, farming items to craft things is boring given how out of touch the dev team is with the skill up system in this game, and I don't even need the miniscule amount of gil it'd make me.

If old outdated content is an acceptable solution to you, than I'm not sure what to say. Most of the stuff I've done... a lot of times. Abyssea is however freshly new to me. Some stuff from ToAU & WoG are new to me, but they aren't to many who are still around, and thus they simply don't do this content. If I could solo everything in that content, I'd rather just go play a single player game.

May I ask why you play this game?
No one here asked you to, so no one here wants to hear you whine about it.
(1) I find people to do Limbus with me whenever I want to, do you have any friends?
(2) You obviously have no clue about even recent updates to the game if you are comparing Neo-Dynamis to Dynamis you grinded in 2003.
(3) LOL soloing assault
(4) Magian trials take less time, less effort, less knowledge, and less aggrivation than 90% of content at any period of time in the game, seriously, do you even play this game or are you trolling from another forum?
(5) I can't even form the words to debunk this one, #mymindisfulloffuck
(6) Crafting... meh

Ok, so you hate old content for stupid reasons, thats fine. Why don't you do Walk of Echoes, VoidWatch, NeoNyzul, or Legion like the rest of the goddamned player base?

edit: Jesus Christ you can't even use the correct game terminology (lolguild). I call BS on this guy having played before

[Kristal]

I said that, not Frank. You're kinda unlucky with quoting recently, aren't you?

It's that bloody multi-quote thing. If you touched that once, it keeps haunting you weeks later, even in other threads.
It's especially bothersome if you post from different machines and get blindsided >_<

And it has nothing to do with a strawman argument in any way, shape or form, which I'm sure you're aware of, or you would have done something to defend that assertion. The term you're looking for is an analogy.

You deliberately created a non-existent situation with the intent to attack it as if it was the real thing. Classic strawman argument and undefendable because there is no position to defend.

Why does there have to be any limit to events? How can limiting something that doesn't need to be limited ever be reasonable in any way? This is merely your deluded perception of what you consider average event playtime/interest, and even if that was not just your own perception but universal perception, it still wouldn't warrant a limit on it. If everyone felt two hours was enough for an event, people would just quit normally after two hours, give or take, and it would make limits inherently pointless.

You must have been living under a rock these past years, because SE is the one that has imposed a 2h limit on events and has made considerable changes to existing content to impose it. Blame the guys putting FFXI in the news negatively for an 18-hour battle. Two hours also is a nice time frame, because you can easily fit it into a casual schedule or two of such events on one evening.

So, what's the point of the time restriction then? An arbitrary limit that should be enough, but if it isn't you can extend it. That's seriously your argument?

I'd give it a 5 bajillion. Since that's a completely subjective perspective all opinions are equally worthy, so let's average it to about 2.5 bajillion, and as such it should be implemented by your own admission.

No, because your rating is modified by x0.0 for reasons of invalid emotional scope (being over 9000!!!). So combined with my rating that makes 2.5/100, even LESS then what I rated it. Change denied.

5/100 is based on cost/benefit. Fact is, it only affects a handfull of people, for a limited time, and only because they decide to ignore better options. It would take time and money to fix something that at best is a very minor inconvenience for the 0.01%ers. It's something they could address when they got nothing else left to do or happened to be fixing some more important problem in the same bit of code.

For a rough comparison, I'd rate beetle's foot a 1/100, RDM merits 125/100, Ob CB 145/100 and salvage dupe 900/100.