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    Player Rezeak's Avatar
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    Not really

    at 75

    Guillotine vs Spinning Slash had an awesome balance.

    Guillotine had a higher DMG potential but Spinning slash was consistent

    meaning when you couldn't cap out attack and acc
    spinning slash >>>> guillotine.
    but when you could capp atk/acc
    guillotine >>>> spinning slash.

    Honestly Entropy should have a atk/acc bonus so that when DRK can't cap out attack it wrecks mobs.

    and imo Quietus should be a little weaker than entropy(after they are both buffed) but the aftermath and skillchain properties should be the reason you use it. (imo it does need a boost to be at least at the same lvl as torcleaver.
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    Main : 99 DRK
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    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    Not really

    at 75

    Guillotine vs Spinning Slash had an awesome balance.

    Guillotine had a higher DMG potential but Spinning slash was consistent

    meaning when you couldn't cap out attack and acc
    spinning slash >>>> guillotine.
    but when you could capp atk/acc
    guillotine >>>> spinning slash.

    Honestly Entropy should have a atk/acc bonus so that when DRK can't cap out attack it wrecks mobs.

    and imo Quietus should be a little weaker than entropy(after they are both buffed) but the aftermath and skillchain properties should be the reason you use it. (imo it does need a boost to be at least at the same lvl as torcleaver.
    Quietus is only useful now because of its skillchain properties. On average, entropy hits higher damage. There is no reason why this weaponskill needs to be weaker, its already one of the least built empyreans in the game. It should be balanced with torcleaver, like you stated, but not weaker than entropy.
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    Last edited by Zeroe; 03-16-2012 at 07:44 PM.

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    Player Calamity's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroe View Post
    Quietus is only useful now because of its skillchain properties. On average, entropy hits higher damage. There is no reason why this weaponskill needs to be weaker, its already one of the least built empyreans in the game. It should be balanced with torcleaver, like you stated, but not weaker than entropy.
    But the thing is, there's barely a reason to use Torcleaver these days either. It, like Quietus and several other empy ws's has more or less been shown up by the new merit ws. Caladbolg isn't really worth having any more than Redemption is these days, the OaT GS seems to be the way to go these days. And that makes me a little sad. I rather like my giant purple sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamity View Post
    But the thing is, there's barely a reason to use Torcleaver these days either. It, like Quietus and several other empy ws's has more or less been shown up by the new merit ws. Caladbolg isn't really worth having any more than Redemption is these days, the OaT GS seems to be the way to go these days. And that makes me a little sad. I rather like my giant purple sword.
    Pretty much this. Its not just Scythe but a large group of Empyrean weapons just aint worth it because its easier to get a level 99 weapon OAT or STR magian etc and spam the new merit WS's, (Presuming you only take your Empy to 85/ 90).

    Entropy beats Quietus
    Stardiver thrashes Camlanns
    Resolution beats Torcleaver
    Ruinator destroys Cloudsplitter
    Exenator (or whatever) beats Rudra's Storm (may be wrong here but thats what I gather from LS opinions)

    Quietus / Camlanns and Cloudsplitter stand out to me as ones which need a buff more than others, i fully agree there, but yeah there are a lot of Empy WS's weaker than their merit WS's.
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    Last edited by Transmit; 03-20-2012 at 12:49 AM.

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    Player saevel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    Not really

    at 75

    Guillotine vs Spinning Slash had an awesome balance.

    Guillotine had a higher DMG potential but Spinning slash was consistent

    meaning when you couldn't cap out attack and acc
    spinning slash >>>> guillotine.
    but when you could capp atk/acc
    guillotine >>>> spinning slash.

    Honestly Entropy should have a atk/acc bonus so that when DRK can't cap out attack it wrecks mobs.

    and imo Quietus should be a little weaker than entropy(after they are both buffed) but the aftermath and skillchain properties should be the reason you use it. (imo it does need a boost to be at least at the same lvl as torcleaver.
    Prior to the level cap raise that wasn't what DRKs would talk about. It was Scyth or GTFO, as evidence by the number of Apocs vs Ragnaroks. There was no reason to use GSWD once the days of /THF SC died out on HNMs, basically anything past 2004/2005. We're talking DRK, attack isn't exactly a problem. Right now Resolution is a much better WS then any of the scyth WS which is sad. The empy WS needs fixed, heck the brand new lv 99 scyth WS needs it's mod changed from lol-INT to STR.
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    Player Rezeak's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Prior to the level cap raise that wasn't what DRKs would talk about. It was Scyth or GTFO, as evidence by the number of Apocs vs Ragnaroks. There was no reason to use GSWD once the days of /THF SC died out on HNMs, basically anything past 2004/2005. We're talking DRK, attack isn't exactly a problem. Right now Resolution is a much better WS then any of the scyth WS which is sad. The empy WS needs fixed, heck the brand new lv 99 scyth WS needs it's mod changed from lol-INT to STR.
    @ 75

    Apoc were made cause the HASTE aftermath was an insane boost back then and you could heal your self with it.

    Ragna was basically Subduer +1 (1 more DMG and pretty much the same crit rate)

    Honestly Ragnarok was a fashion statment more than trying to be the best DRK (i still would of liked Ragnarok back then cause i like GSD)

    Ragna are made NOW cause the Occ does 2.5 DMG procs more often and the acc + dmg + Resoluition is the best setup for DRK (minus mythic)

    Yes DRK/THF died out w/ /SAM

    but Great sword was easily the best weapon for alot of harder stuff like JoL, Kirin, sea/sky gods some ZNM stuff and the scythe or GTFO stuff ur on about was when we killed birds for hrs on end.
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 03-23-2012 at 07:25 PM.
    Main : 99 DRK
    Subs : 99 SMN COR SCH MELEEWHM
    Server : Ragnarök
    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .