Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Vivik]

Personally, I'm not even bothering to enter abyssea until I get to 75. Won't even get the expansions. I've been in there on an older character, and it slows down bad and makes the runs give everyone ALOT less experience when people anything below 75 step in. I can understand a key person, but technically that's not a leech.

I think minimum should be brought up to 75. That would end the constant 30 people wanting to be "key holders" and the 20 that'll sneak a job change once in, and leave like 5 people 75+ even doing anything to the monsters the group is fighting, just for the group to time out as a result. Or, even worse, the group to wipe just because there's not enough man power to handle what the group's fighting.

In a good abyssea xp party a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.

[Vinc]

In a good abyssea xp party a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.

For DD:

-|--------|----------------------|
30-------75---------------------90

Certainly useless, but not as useless as you say. Just as well, 90% of the DD in a pickup group will be wearing full perle (if even), and lacking most useful atma anyways as they are too busy posting here complaining about leeches to get gear - because of this a well geared 75 could probably outparse any number of them.

[Kuishen]

Personally, I'm not even bothering to enter abyssea until I get to 75. Won't even get the expansions. I've been in there on an older character, and it slows down bad and makes the runs give everyone ALOT less experience when people anything below 75 step in. I can understand a key person, but technically that's not a leech.

I think minimum should be brought up to 75. That would end the constant 30 people wanting to be "key holders" and the 20 that'll sneak a job change once in, and leave like 5 people 75+ even doing anything to the monsters the group is fighting, just for the group to time out as a result. Or, even worse, the group to wipe just because there's not enough man power to handle what the group's fighting.

If you even have 2 75+ DDs that are worth a damn, good gear/atmas etc. then you should never time out, even with ruby lights capped.

It seems to me that a lot of these people's arguments for raising the cap are hinged on the fact that they are, or play with absolutely terrible players.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

lol I can not agree more, I went in at 75, my LS mates wanted me to come with them so I could get two of my first three NM bosses done, I went......but found out every quickly that I could do nothing ;p I ended up openeing chests and listing to the LS explain things to me, I learned alot, but I felt bad that I really could not contribute much. I did use Angon when I could though, so I was not a complete waste of space ^.^

My main problem I have to address is that my DNC and DRG both are still geared as 75 was the cap ( quit a year ago and just came back) So gear wise I have to get new stuff as I level and readjust all my macros and gear swaps to accommodate the changes.

[Henihhi]

My guess would be they are/or play with terrible players. Most half decent blms can 1-2 shot ephs to cap azure very fast and if your dd cant get pearl as quickly, you need to boot them . I honestly get more tes 4 manning with friends than in an actualy abyssea party because my friends arent mentally chalenged.SE gives leaders the kick option for a reason learn to use it.

[Vivik]

For DD:

-|--------|----------------------|
30-------75---------------------90

Certainly useless, but not as useless as you say. Just as well, 90% of the DD in a pickup group will be wearing full perle (if even), and lacking most useful atma anyways as they are too busy posting here complaining about leeches to get gear - because of this a well geared 75 could probably outparse any number of them.

You level in pickup groups? How barbaric. Maybe I should have been more clear. In my experience/cruor farm parties a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.

But to stay on topic here we are discussing lowering it from 30 to 1 which is even less of a difference than 75-30.

[Yarly]

I approve of this idea. Let's do it!

[Jkr]

lv 1 in abyssea yes please.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I agree. SE needs to make up their minds regarding this issue. Either lower it to 1 and let the leech-fest begin, or raise it to 70 to stem the leeching. 30 is such a nonsensical level.

It was an attempt to stop gilfinder PLing, which of course didn't work.

[Greatguardian]

I doubt it had much to do with RMT. Rather, 30 has been the typical level where "The game starts". Advanced jobs are unlocked, the beginning of CoP is level 30, etc.