[dev1102] So what is the Ultimate Spell for RDM?

[Asymptotic]

The issue I have with this line of thinking is that the moment we get it it becomes our responsibility. Since these are buffs and could possibly work with Accession, we then become handcuffed to /SCH, which means bye bye melee gear and melee sub. I'd rather both options become useful before we start getting spells like that.

"I don't want spells that give players motivation to invite me because I want to melee."

[Duelle]

These would be RDM only so they wouldn't work with Accession, SE already said we wont get AoE, but we have spells like Haste and Phalanx II so the argument they don't want us to self-target buff goes out the window as much as I hate Cycles.

Which means we're stuck on cycles again. We should move forwards, not backwards.

"I don't want spells that give players motivation to invite me because I want to melee."

More like "I'm sick of RDM only being about casting stuff on others all the time with little else to bring to the table, especially when taking into account that the job is a hybrid and not a one-trick buffbot". If RDM had the option to tail one other DPS, use haste (or refresh, if you're into that sort of thing) on them while I melee, WS, toss some off-heals, remove status ailments off both of us (/DNC) and had some way to weave nukes in there, and said gameplay was open for more than just duo/campaign/abyssea parties, then I might be a little happier with where we stand. It isn't because of "lolmeleeRDM" and due to not being "efficient" (DPS, proc systems being RDM-unfriendly). You fix melee RDM to mean more than just solo toy and abyssea show off and then I can start giving suggestions on what to do in terms of support. Up until then, give me self-buffs, a way to easily maintain said self-buffs and fix our job (gear, skill proficiencies, WS access, etc).

With the way things are now, I'll be happier the day we get self-cast Enflare (as suggested on the JP forums for our "ultimate spell", by the way) than the day we get <insert crutch buff to force parties to invite a RDM for events>, if only because it gives us more of the same crap instead of actually fixing anything.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Which means we're stuck on cycles again. We should move forwards, not backwards.

SE already stated RDM would never get AoE, so this is the only way we'll get any enhancing magic that's not self-target.

[saevel]

SE already stated RDM would never get AoE, so this is the only way we'll get any enhancing magic that's not self-target.

And SE already stated they want us to buff ourselves and support the party by enfeebling.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

And SE already stated they want us to buff ourselves and support the party by enfeebling.

Disproved by Phalanx II and Refresh II.

[tyrantsyn]

Maybe on your server Tyrantsyn, but if i had a dollar for every time ive seen a good rdm or whm doing their job, be it meleeing, or curing, or buffing, get blamed for something outside their control (Like getting doomed and not being able to remove it on chloris or bukhis, or muted and dieing cause they couldnt last it out) Then id never have to pay my subscription fee ever again. And im barely exagerating. Jobs like whm, and rdm, and sch take a lot of flack, and not much praise to offset it, just cause some 'hot Shot' job steals the spotlight and "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF YOU WERENT WSING FOR 3K!" when it should be "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF OUR WHM WASNT HEALING YOU FOR 2K EACH HIT BEFORE YOU GOT MAULED!"

Well, seem's pretty ridiculous any one would think that way. Anyway this is kind of off topic. So I'm going to drop it.

With the way things are now, I'll be happier the day we get self-cast Enflare (as suggested on the JP forums for our "ultimate spell", by the way) than the day we get <insert crutch buff to force parties to invite a RDM for events>, if only because it gives us more of the same crap instead of actually fixing anything.

They actual suggested that? Wow I wonder how they figured that would work?

[cidbahamut]

"I don't want spells that give players motivation to invite me because I want to melee."

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More on topic: since SE seems set on "self cast buffs ONRY", how about this?

Buff Spell
Boosts everything by X%
and I do mean EVERYTHING.