[dev1102] So what is the Ultimate Spell for RDM?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Which means we're stuck on cycles again. We should move forwards, not backwards.

SE already stated RDM would never get AoE, so this is the only way we'll get any enhancing magic that's not self-target.

[saevel]

SE already stated RDM would never get AoE, so this is the only way we'll get any enhancing magic that's not self-target.

And SE already stated they want us to buff ourselves and support the party by enfeebling.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Sounds fine by me, beats being blamed for a party's failings because rdm is easy to scapegoat, beats spending hours upon hours clicking two buttons endlessly, and sure as hell beats the attitude i get from players. "I dont want invites to be a buffbot in a horridly inefficient way, because i want to melee!"

As far as im concerned, It beats the alternative. Not to mention i could play other jobs if i just want to do ONE THING. So i do some nuking, meleeing, and healing as the situation calls for it. Even in einherjar recently with 6 people on chamber 3(wing1), i ended up meleeing and matching(/outdamaging) the thf, mnk and pup (and whatever the last dd was...) and ended up healing and tanking during the boss fight. While keeping the whm refreshed. And if i can keep doing that in old events, then thats just fine by me!

[saevel]

Sounds fine by me, beats being blamed for a party's failings because rdm is easy to scapegoat, beats spending hours upon hours clicking two buttons endlessly, and sure as hell beats the attitude i get from players. "I dont want invites to be a buffbot in a horridly inefficient way, because i want to melee!"

As far as im concerned, It beats the alternative. Not to mention i could play other jobs if i just want to do ONE THING. So i do some nuking, meleeing, and healing as the situation calls for it. Even in einherjar recently with 6 people on chamber 3(wing1), i ended up meleeing and matching(/outdamaging) the thf, mnk and pup (and whatever the last dd was...) and ended up healing and tanking during the boss fight. While keeping the whm refreshed. And if i can keep doing that in old events, then thats just fine by me!

Outside of the "brick wall with infinite hp" scenario's RDM actually does really well. Can't say enough about how hard we are to kill and how many ways we have to screw with our target. Our one weakness is the "Super Mega Final Boss" fights where we tend to be better off focusing on support of the buffed hard hitters. SE's idea is for us to do that by making the target boss monster weaker, I like that idea, now they need to actually execute it and not fail doing so. It doesn't help that everything from 80+ has been nothing but the aforementioned boss fights. Meleeing on City Tier 1 ~ 3 isn't hard, Tier IV's (@90) were a different story. Same with Jeuno / Zilart, Tier 1 ~ 2 is easy but on Tier III it's a bit crazy (@95). And we see the same thing now with Jeuno II, early tiers are easy but the Tier 6's you shouldn't be meleeing on.

I want to see a remade Limbus type event where you must kill fodder / go through the raid killing minor boss's until at the end you have a "Mega Boss". SE seems too focused on turning out crap "pop boss, fight boss, don't get loot" x 100 time sinks.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Seconded, im still the kind who would love an instanced, no time limit event, however im aware that puts some load on the server, id love to see a stamina based event (preferably point earning and exchange for reward type) where you and a few friends could put a day aside, and spend 8+ hours wading armpit deep through mobs, even if fodder with an occasional boss.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

And SE already stated they want us to buff ourselves and support the party by enfeebling.

Disproved by Phalanx II and Refresh II.

[tyrantsyn]

Sounds fine by me, beats being blamed for a party's failings because rdm is easy to scapegoat,

Normally it's more a players short coming's than a Job, I don't think I've ever heard any one blame a job for a loss.

Which means we're stuck on cycles again. We should move forwards, not backwards.

Does any one really still do cycles?

[Crimson_Slasher]

Maybe on your server Tyrantsyn, but if i had a dollar for every time ive seen a good rdm or whm doing their job, be it meleeing, or curing, or buffing, get blamed for something outside their control (Like getting doomed and not being able to remove it on chloris or bukhis, or muted and dieing cause they couldnt last it out) Then id never have to pay my subscription fee ever again. And im barely exagerating. Jobs like whm, and rdm, and sch take a lot of flack, and not much praise to offset it, just cause some 'hot Shot' job steals the spotlight and "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF YOU WERENT WSING FOR 3K!" when it should be "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF OUR WHM WASNT HEALING YOU FOR 2K EACH HIT BEFORE YOU GOT MAULED!"

[tyrantsyn]

Maybe on your server Tyrantsyn, but if i had a dollar for every time ive seen a good rdm or whm doing their job, be it meleeing, or curing, or buffing, get blamed for something outside their control (Like getting doomed and not being able to remove it on chloris or bukhis, or muted and dieing cause they couldnt last it out) Then id never have to pay my subscription fee ever again. And im barely exagerating. Jobs like whm, and rdm, and sch take a lot of flack, and not much praise to offset it, just cause some 'hot Shot' job steals the spotlight and "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF YOU WERENT WSING FOR 3K!" when it should be "OH MAN WE WOULDNT HAVE WON IF OUR WHM WASNT HEALING YOU FOR 2K EACH HIT BEFORE YOU GOT MAULED!"

Well, seem's pretty ridiculous any one would think that way. Anyway this is kind of off topic. So I'm going to drop it.

With the way things are now, I'll be happier the day we get self-cast Enflare (as suggested on the JP forums for our "ultimate spell", by the way) than the day we get <insert crutch buff to force parties to invite a RDM for events>, if only because it gives us more of the same crap instead of actually fixing anything.

They actual suggested that? Wow I wonder how they figured that would work?

[cidbahamut]

"I don't want spells that give players motivation to invite me because I want to melee."

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More on topic: since SE seems set on "self cast buffs ONRY", how about this?

Buff Spell
Boosts everything by X%
and I do mean EVERYTHING.