Pianissimo and Tenuto

[Camate]

Hello!

The core issue here is overwriting songs and there are two factors at play:

1. Depending on what instruments you use there are differences in effects for songs, and songs that are cast later will be shorter.
2. It’s not possible to overwrite songs that have effect durations of 120 seconds or more.

The former factor is something that players have control over via equipment, so we prefer to leave this as it is; since there are times that you will not want songs with weaker effects to take priority.

On the other hand, the latter is something that we would like to adjust and are currently looking into how we can make it so songs with an effect duration of 120 seconds or more can be overwritten. We believe that Tenuto and other elements are a contributing factor to this issue and would like some time to look into this.

On a slightly different note, there was a request to make it easier to distinguish songs that have worn off via the chat log, since in cases when similar songs (i.e. Minuet IV and V) are both on a party member and one of them is removed by Dispel or other means, it’s difficult to discern which of the two was removed. We agree that this would definitely be beneficial and is something that we would like to address if possible; however, it would require the development team to redo the enhancing statuses for each song and level, readjust the stats one by one, and change the song system significantly, so unfortunately it would be extremely difficult to do right away.

We will keep you posted when we receive some new information about the overwriting issue.

[Monchat]

1. It’s not possible to overwrite songs that have effect durations of 120 seconds or more.

You mean songs that will wear off in more than 120s probably. You can definatly overwrite, say, 2xmarch sung with Daurdabla, by 2xmarch sung with Gjallarnorm, but you cannot do so until roughly 1min10s have passed.

Whats annoying is than you cannot sing 2xmarch 2xminuet with daurdaba, then troubadour and overwrite with 2xmarch 2xminuet with Gjallarhorn for example. EIther you wait 1mn10s or you just initially sing 4 random songs that are neither marches nor minuet, then you can overwrite immediately.

It's also annoying to not being able to overwrite troubadour/nightingale'd songs in case you sung the wrong one.

[Lokithor]

Would it be so bad if they just changed the over-write logic so that the song that gets overwritten is the one that is the "oldest"? This whole business of song duration affecting which song is over written and when is needlessly confusing. If it helps, add a JA so that the next song cannot be overwritten by anything other than a recast of the same song (a party version of Tenuto).

I can guess SE's response would be along the lines that equipment can affect the duration of song and provide the player with options to control the overwrite logic. That would be a cop out though because I'm sure that nobody uses song duration enhancing equipment to affect over write. They only get frustrated trying to figure it out and work around it.

[Reain]

Any chance of changing Soul Voice's effect on Scherzo from doubles duration to allowing it to mitigate against multi-hit attacks that deal over 75% HP?

It's kinda depressing to put it up then watch my DD get one shotted in legion anyway. Plus with 4x duration (SV & Troubadour) there's no overwriting it with something else for a long time.

[Rambus]

I can guess SE's response would be along the lines that equipment can affect the duration of song and provide the player with options to control the overwrite logic. That would be a cop out though because I'm sure that nobody uses song duration enhancing equipment to affect over write. They only get frustrated trying to figure it out and work around it.

In a way we do but we are stuck with ballad +1 instrument when we have +3 for other songs. But I do hate singing the wrong song with troubadour/nightingale it is like now what while hard to properly buff everyone =/

For the rep.... Why are all songs the same icion? you changed SCH icons, the three eye icion and so on. Why was this neglected? I am pretty sure it was a very old complaint. I do not like how Camate missed responding to that when Babekeke/Zagen brought it up? I seen SS of people using the 'forbidden' windower with different color icons for the songs. I find it funny something is forbidden that people can easily program but SE says it is not possible for them to do.