Pianissimo and Tenuto

[Mrmiles]

I find myself in situations where I need to Pianissimo Ballads on myself while AoEing other songs onto other party members. The problems I've been having are that Victory blocks the second Pianissimo'd Ballad if I sing it within a minute or so after, and that Tenuto doesn't stack with Pianissimo.

Is there any way that Pianissimo could have an automatic Tenuto effect, where the song has to take effect regardless of song length? Better yet, could I give other players a Tenuto'd Pianissimo? Say one person in my party wants Minuets or Mambo and the rest want Marches, I could start with Minuet, then hit everyone with Marches and keep the Minuet player with Minuet.

[Rambus]

Hmm I left the game for a while and I do notice the post date but I still want to comment soo..

Why would Pianissimo need to have the effect?

Like first you Tenuto Ballad ( who cares who it hits=/ ) so now you have ballad on your self and maybe others but the others would not matter.

Then you cast the song most want ( like say 3 people want two marches) Then you just Pianissimo the single songs.

Since you Tenuto ballad that is the song you still have on.

[Mrmiles]

Hmm I left the game for a while and I do notice the post date but I still want to comment soo..

Why would Pianissimo need to have the effect?

Like first you Tenuto Ballad ( who cares who it hits=/ ) so now you have ballad on your self and maybe others but the others would not matter.

Then you cast the song most want ( like say 3 people want two marches) Then you just Pianissimo the single songs.

Since you Tenuto ballad that is the song you still have on.

If Tenuto had the Pianissimo effect, you'd know for certain that the target has the songs you're singing on them. The log might say a target receives a song, but it doesn't say what song it overrides. Let me give you a few examples.

- If you're sporting the Minuet +3 and Ballad +1 instruments and you sing Victory and Minuet V, you'll only end up with one ballad after you pianissimo Ballad II and III on yourself because Minuet blocks it.

- I'd run into the problem of throwing out two Victories and a Minuet, then Pianissimo Ballads II and III and finding I or the WHM only have one Ballad on. I couldn't use the +1 Ballad instrument with Tenuto without having to run 20 yalms away from if I wanted Ballad II. If the WHM runs in to boost or barspell and gets hit with Minuet, they are stuck with it for a minute instead of having a more useful song.

- If a COR rolls while you sing Minuet, you might need a matching Etude + instrument to beat the Minuet back if they want Quick/Swift Etudes.

There are fixes. You could settle with hitting everyone with ballad when you refreshed their songs, but that fix would only apply to yourself. Relic horn fixes the problem too, but I think that's a big price to pay to fix something like this.

[Babekeke]

Are you sure that the instruments are the reason, and it's not because of having marcato'd or troubador'd the original song? I've never noticed not receiving an effect when I used a +2 intrument for a march/minuet then casting ballad. Also, if you are experiencing this problem, can't you just cancel the first song(s) before casting on yourself? I can't say I've ever tried to cancel a song, but I imagine it's possible.

[Reain]

Can't cancel songs no.

What I think is happening as an example.

Cast March1 duration 3mins
Cast march2 duration 3mins
Cast Ballad1 Duration 2mins. (Replaces March1 because March1 has lowest duration remaining)
Cast Ballad2 Duration 2mins. (Replaces Ballad1 because Ballad1 has lowest duration remaining)

Easy solutions are wait longer to do your first ballad or get G.horn (if that counts as easy)

I have this problem sometimes too if I do SV troubadour scherzo. (4x duration scherzo)

[VoiceMemo]

I found another situation for Tenuto tonight that I don't like.

In dynamis when I have 2 other dd I use 2x march and tenuto 2x ballad on myself. BUT in this case reraise had worn and there was a bad pull. So I put up hymnus, only after I died did I notice it had no effect. I personally would like to see certain songs like hymnus overwrite ANY song regardless if you used tenuto or not. The short duration of hymnus only seems to be worth it for an EMERGENCY reraise.

SE Please change hymnus to overwrite any song, regardless if you have used Tenuto or not.

[Babekeke]

Can't cancel songs no.

Then 1 easy fix, is allow songs to be cancellable. Seems odd that they aren't anyway!

[Zagen]

Then 1 easy fix, is allow songs to be cancellable. Seems odd that they aren't anyway!

I'm guessing it's something stupid like all songs have the same rules so if buffs were able to be canceled so could song debuffs cast on you.

[Babekeke]

Hmmm, quite possibly. But that is another thing I always found annoyed me. If you're in a pt with a BRD, and you fight a BRD mob, you don't know if you have requiem/threnody/elegy on you, or if it's a buff, without hovering over the icon to check. Can't we get a different coloured icon for buffs/enfeebles on songs? (and while you're at it, make the buffs cancellable!).

[Zagen]

Hmmm, quite possibly. But that is another thing I always found annoyed me. If you're in a pt with a BRD, and you fight a BRD mob, you don't know if you have requiem/threnody/elegy on you, or if it's a buff, without hovering over the icon to check. Can't we get a different coloured icon for buffs/enfeebles on songs? (and while you're at it, make the buffs cancellable!).

Sad thing is BRD buffs and debuffs all have different icon slots already they just use the same icon for all of them.