Suggestion: Break the game, SE

[FrankReynolds]

No, he actually didn't, and I'll explain how.

I don't do VW. I do Aby. In another thread about inventory issues, Frank specifically said he needs 78+ pieces of equipment for gear swaps, and I said that's not necessary for any job except maybe BLU. His response was basically that "I" might not see it as necessary, but he does. He has no problem with people like me who don't carry around 80+ pieces of gear for just one job at a time, but he feels he needs to.

You tell me who has the superiority complex sweetheart. Mahoro nailed my point perfectly. If you want better rewards than the +2 gear from aby, then you need to put in the effort. People didn't baaaahhhhh about wanting Riddil without fighting Faf back in the day, because it makes logical sense that you get better rewards from harder events. Also, nothing today comes close to endgame back in the "glory" days, so I have a hard time imagining someone has a hard time getting into endgame things.

TLDR;


Yes, If you don't carry any healing set or any physical damage down set, and I do, then your physical damage down and your healing sets suck compared to mine. This is because you didn't bother to make a set at all. Not because I have epeen gear and show it off to make others feel inferior.

I carry around a bunch of stuff because it makes my character perform better, and it doesn't require any grinding to get that improvement. I mean seriously, who wants to help a guy get his awesome strength headpiece when the guy doesn't even bother to keep it on him so he can use it afterwards? DO you really not feel annoyed when the mage runs out of mp, and you look over and hes not wearing any HMP gear while he rests? This is all stuff that can be bought cheap off the AH. not king drops.

How can you act like I'm lazy for complaining about months of grinding when you can't even be bothered to buy sets off the AH?

[Shipp]

TLDR;


Yes, If you don't carry any healing set or any physical damage down set, and I do, then your physical damage down and your healing sets suck compared to mine. This is because you didn't bother to make a set at all. Not because I have epeen gear and show it off to make others feel inferior.

I carry around a bunch of stuff because it makes my character perform better, and it doesn't require any grinding to get that improvement. I mean seriously, who wants to help a guy get his awesome strength headpiece when the guy doesn't even bother to keep it on him so he can use it afterwards? DO you really not feel annoyed when the mage runs out of mp, and you look over and hes not wearing any HMP gear while he rests? This is all stuff that can be bought cheap off the AH. not king drops.

How can you act like I'm lazy for complaining about months of grinding when you can't even be bothered to buy sets off the AH?

Pardon, but when did I say I don't have hMP sets, nuking sets, MND sets, etc? I didn't. I said I do not need to have them in my inventory 100% of the time. On my mage jobs, I always have my main set of gear plus hMP gear. Situational pieces that might not need use at the time are satcheled or sacked.

You're the one assuming incorrect things. I said nobody (aside from maybe blu) needs to carry 78+ different pieces of equipment for one job for any given event. I never said I don't have 78+ pieces that I use on my jobs. I said I don't have to carry them around in my main inventory 100% of the time while I'm on said job.

Also, you're still trying to portray yourself as superior about gear sets when you just attempted to say that the only reason I feel the way I do about endgame events is because I'm an elitist. Get your story straight. Am I an elitist, or a gimp? Make up your mind please.

I'm beginning to feel like Mahoro is about the only person in the thread who actually has reading comprehension instead of jumping the gun and slanting what someone else says.

[FrankReynolds]

Pardon, but when did I say I don't have hMP sets, nuking sets, MND sets, etc? I didn't. I said I do not need to have them in my inventory 100% of the time. On my mage jobs, I always have my main set of gear plus hMP gear. Situational pieces that might not need use at the time are satcheled or sacked.

You're the one assuming incorrect things. I said nobody (aside from maybe blu) needs to carry 78+ different pieces of equipment for one job for any given event. I never said I don't have 78+ pieces that I use on my jobs. I said I don't have to carry them around in my main inventory 100% of the time while I'm on said job.

Also, you're still trying to portray yourself as superior about gear sets when you just attempted to say that the only reason I feel the way I do about endgame events is because I'm an elitist. Get your story straight. Am I an elitist, or a gimp? Make up your mind please.

I'm beginning to feel like Mahoro is about the only person in the thread who actually has reading comprehension instead of jumping the gun and slanting what someone else says.

In the other thread, one person listed out over 100 items that they could easily need on them at any given time. The same can be done for many of the other jobs in the game. No one is going to waste their time listing out all of their gear for every one of their jobs so that you can critique it.

Even if they did, it would still boil down to you saying "I could manage all that gear with the space we already have. So you can't have any more space"

The bottom line is you saying that people can't have more space because you are better than them at managing inventory, and that is a bull crap argument.

Reading comprehension is also a pretty funny argument being as in the other thread you said:

you assumed I was against more inventory/storage and attacked a position I never held to begin with

and yet you continue to argue that we don't need more inventory / storage here. Perhaps you don't comprehend the words that you are using Because you clearly want to assert your superiority at inventory management. You keep asserting that we don't "need" to carry things as if you are the authority on what can and should be done in the game. I bet you would take a different stance and turn all "elitist" when someone pops in claiming they don't need to swap gear at all. Trying to paint me as an elitist because I carry relevant gear is just lol.

[Zeratoangel]

You know, this is the exact same mindset of WoW players. Look how many subs dropped after Cata turned the game into easy-mode. Also, BC was a challenging expansion which most players actually did NOT raid, only the elites. I don't know where you're coming up with your info, but you're sorely mistaken and misrepresenting the facts. Blizzard has even stated that Cata's raids were easier because only a small portion of the playerbase had been raiding from Vanilla through WoTLK.

You are trying to bring a Cata-style revamp into XI, and Cata is the entire reason why I came back to XI. It's trash in terms of endgame. If you want easy events where you get the best gear, go play any other MMO, don't try to turn one of the last MMOs into that.

LMAO you got that ALL WRONG. Cata did the complete opposite of easy mode, the only thing easy in Cata was leveling. Cata's raids were INTENSE when they were released and the heroic modes still are. The difficulty INCREASE in Cata is what drove alot of people away.

Most players didnt raid in BC?? I guess all those Kara/Gruul/Mag/SSC/TK pugs didnt exist. You MUST be referring to the last raid of the expansion, The Sunwell, because all the raids aside from Black Temple and the Sunwell were quite easy even for casuals.

And again, Cata raids were easier? I'm pretty sure you're talking about WotLK. Wrath had the highest amount of raiders at any point of WoW's life. Mainly because, it was so easy to just gear up and jump in and on normal mode it was a complete faceroll. Cata had roadblocks just in heroic dungeons not even counting normal raids...try again.

Most of the people on these forums despise WoW and have no idea what you're talking about, but I do. I'm usually not a person that picks apart posts but this just disturbed me with the amount of misinformation in it. PLEASE get YOUR FACTS straight.

(Disclaimer: I'm not attacking you, I'm just attacking your "information". So don't take offense and attempt to use personal attacks like so many others do.)

[Shipp]

LMAO you got that ALL WRONG. Cata did the complete opposite of easy mode, the only thing easy in Cata was leveling. Cata's raids were INTENSE when they were released and the heroic modes still are. The difficulty INCREASE in Cata is what drove alot of people away.

Most players didnt raid in BC?? I guess all those Kara/Gruul/Mag/SSC/TK pugs didnt exist. You MUST be referring to the last raid of the expansion, The Sunwell, because all the raids aside from Black Temple and the Sunwell were quite easy even for casuals.

And again, Cata raids were easier? I'm pretty sure you're talking about WotLK. Wrath had the highest amount of raiders at any point of WoW's life. Mainly because, it was so easy to just gear up and jump in and on normal mode it was a complete faceroll. Cata had roadblocks just in heroic dungeons not even counting normal raids...try again.

Most of the people on these forums despise WoW and have no idea what you're talking about, but I do. I'm usually not a person that picks apart posts but this just disturbed me with the amount of misinformation in it. PLEASE get YOUR FACTS straight.

(Disclaimer: I'm not attacking you, I'm just attacking your "information". So don't take offense and attempt to use personal attacks like so many others do.)

I never said Cata raids were easy at launch. I said look at sub numbers since Blizzard made them easy, and I'm sorry, but if you still have problems with any of Cata's raids at this point, I don't know what to say. Aquilla's whole argument is that breaking the game and making it easy (when she argues that stuff is already easy, baffling, I know) will bring in new subs, it'll revive the game, etc. After Blizzard nerfed the hell out of Cata dungeons and raids, have you kept up with subs? They're still dropping.

I've played WoW since '06, I don't hate the game, I just don't like what it has become. I have no reason to make up stuff about WoW. Currently, the game is face-roll easy. It has been since about summer. A lot of the raids were padded with artificial difficulty, much like AV in FFXI. He wasn't difficult, it's the, "Oh crap instant death everywhere for being unlucky," mechanics that inflated his difficulty. Blizzard tried the same type of thing in Cata, and I hated it there too. I agree that those mechanics are not challenging, just annoying, however Blizzard has severely dumbed down the game that requires a skill level lower than WoTLK did... yet subs still keep a'droppin'. Thus my point, "breaking the game" and allowing us to godmode is not the answer.

That doesn't mean I'm 100% happy with everything. That doesn't mean I don't think drop rates should be increased. That doesn't mean I don't think certain fights should be tweaked. It means that allowing us to godmode around Vana'diel is not the answer.

[Duelle]

I said look at sub numbers since Blizzard made them easy

Unless I missed those reports, or you somehow work for Blizzard and know something on the inside, the last quarterly report they released with the info on subscription drops accounted to prior 3.3, AKA raid finder, the Hour of Twilight dungeons and The Fall of Deathwing. That's the one where they lost around 300K~ subs. As I said, dungeon tuning, changes to classes and PvP are to blame.

After Blizzard nerfed the hell out of Cata dungeons and raids, have you kept up with subs? They're still dropping.

A lot of people came back with 3.3. Problem is a good number also left when Old Republic launched. I'd know, as most of my guild left for TOR and still haven't returned (so much for the TORtanic meme).

Going to Aquilla's point for this thread, I think some emphasis should be placed on fixing/retuning/redesigning some of the older events and systems. Probably the thing I dislike most about the FFXI developers ("balance" notwithstanding) is that they don't sit down and say "boy did we screw that up. Let's try to do some redesigning/remaking/whatever sometime down the road". I don't mean just evoliths, but garrison, eco-warrior, expeditionary forces, chocobo raising (land transportation in general), pankration, conquest as a whole and so on. A lot of them are either badly designed, incomplete, cling to relevancy due to one or two items, or have to be turned into requirements for endgame events to not look like wastes of development time.

[Aquilla]

Wow, that was lengthy! Well, back on track:

Break the game, SE. Be brave, and bold. Do something new and innovative. That was what made FF special from the beginning!

Try something new -- because the current approach is just death by small doses. If you make the game shiny, new, and exciting -- and it still fails -- at least it would've gone out gloriously.

[Anapingofness]

Actually Shipp... people did go "baaahhh Ridill" back in the day. I would know. I was one of those people. Besides, Ridill wasn't that great either. It was an e-peen item. Not to mention that Faffy wasn't that hard anyway.

On that note...

SE!!
Break the game!
If Shipp quits I'll get another player to take his place. Hell I'll pay for two accounts. Just make the game fun!

[Shipp]

Wow, that was lengthy! Well, back on track:

Break the game, SE. Be brave, and bold. Do something new and innovative. That was what made FF special from the beginning!

Try something new -- because the current approach is just death by small doses. If you make the game shiny, new, and exciting -- and it still fails -- at least it would've gone out gloriously.

Let me requote the relevant parts.

You know, this is the exact same mindset of WoW players. Look how many subs dropped after Cata turned the game into easy-mode. Also, BC was a challenging expansion which most players actually did NOT raid, only the elites. I don't know where you're coming up with your info, but you're sorely mistaken and misrepresenting the facts. Blizzard has even stated that Cata's raids were easier because only a small portion of the playerbase had been raiding from Vanilla through WoTLK.

You are trying to bring a Cata-style revamp into XI, and Cata is the entire reason why I came back to XI. It's trash in terms of endgame. If you want easy events where you get the best gear, go play any other MMO, don't try to turn one of the last MMOs into that.

Yes, let's turn XI into the game that has now lost more subs in one year than XI and XIV even have combined.

You said you don't want godmode, but that's what you're wanting with them "breaking the game."

[Fupafighter]

Let me requote the relevant parts.



Yes, let's turn XI into the game that has now lost more subs in one year than XI and XIV even have combined.

You said you don't want godmode, but that's what you're wanting with them "breaking the game."

To be fair...I don't play these other games except FFXI, but if they had a MUCH higher population than FFXI, wouldn't that mean they're more likely to lose more subscriptions lol? Just sayin.