Impetus and Tantra Cyclas +2

[Luvbunny]

This is just great example how utterly clueless the developer in how people actually play their game. Please please bring back the other group who created abyssea, the same one who are now in charge of fixing the FF14. The current group are extremely ignorant of what the player base want, need and wish. I really hope they listen better and take suggestions from the player base and use the forum and test servers more. There is hope, they did a few things right lately, let's hope this trend continue and stop all these nonsensical ideas from the developer...

[Kimble]

This is just great example how utterly clueless the developer in how people actually play their game. Please please bring back the other group who created abyssea, the same one who are now in charge of fixing the FF14. The current group are extremely ignorant of what the player base want, need and wish. I really hope they listen better and take suggestions from the player base and use the forum and test servers more. There is hope, they did a few things right lately, let's hope this trend continue and stop all these nonsensical ideas from the developer...

Uh.. Mizuki Ito was the battle director of Abyssea, which makes this even more confusing since he created how abyssea works basically yet thinks people use monk in abyssea because they can tank, not because they can cover so many blue procs.

I see people all the time say "BRING BACK THE AYBSSEA PEOPLE!" which is funny because they didn't leave, they actually got promoted to lead role in FFXI, lol.

[Runespider]

Reading the people in charge of this game now talking about FF players and how they play the game reminds me of my Aunt when she talks about the internet, she has no idea wtf she is on about either.

[Avarice]

This week on What Are the Developers Gonna **** Up Next?!, the continued dismantling of Monk!

But no, really, can we rotate developers again? I think the guys who made Abyssea have just about used up their value; let's not let them destroy what they made, which they seem to be hellbent on doing for the sake of "barance."

[Motenten]

1) Thank you for actually translating this. (For those not aware, this was posted a week ago on the JP side, and probably only translated because I brought it up. If you'd prefer, you can pretend to remain in blissful ignorance.) It may not have any effect going forward, but at least we can see some of what was going on, instead of being left in the dark.

2) While I might sympathize slightly with pups, Stringing Pummel was already on par with Smite. Pups lose almost nothing here. Annalise, your analogy doesn't really work since it makes no effort to really understand the full math behind such calculations.

3) Overall, I can see where they're coming from in trying to balance between VS and the Impetus effect. Since changing Impetus would hurt a lot more people (and sorry pups, but there's about 10 times as many mnks as there are pups), bringing Smite down a little was the logical choice.

4) I'll agree that the point about mnks being chosen as Abyssea tanks is somewhat dodging the full reasons behind that (blue procs, high survivability), but you can't deny that very strong offensive power was also a significant part of the consideration. But that's merely an example point anyway. It seems more that they were trying to express the common player shunning of 'lesser' jobs. IE: If you have mnk, come mnk; I don't care what other jobs you have available.

5) I no longer have any expectations that the devs play the game. It's not feasible on a multitude of levels, and even if they did play, their mindset is completely different from players. They'd approach the game from the angle of "this is the way it 'should' be played" or "I already know what's supposed to be done here" instead of the player approach of maximal optimization and corner case exploitation.

[Savlyn]

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2) While I might sympathize slightly with pups, Stringing Pummel was already on par with Smite. Pups lose almost nothing here. Annalise, your analogy doesn't really work since it makes no effort to really understand the full math behind such calculations.

3) Overall, I can see where they're coming from in trying to balance between VS and the Impetus effect. Since changing Impetus would hurt a lot more people (and sorry pups, but there's about 10 times as many mnks as there are pups), bringing Smite down a little was the logical choice.

Stringing Pummel is now better than VS outside of Abyssea, which is what I'm saying. Spending all the time making the weapon only to have it be beaten by a simple Nyzul climb WS kind of sucks. And so... basically because there are less PUPs, it doesn't matter if we get screwed?

[Runespider]

I see people all the time say "BRING BACK THE AYBSSEA PEOPLE!" which is funny because they didn't leave, they actually got promoted to lead role in FFXI, lol.

Whatever happened Yoshi sure got a lot of respect in the company to get such an important double job on their lead title from working on Aby, I doubt he got that job from doing anything less than a massive role in how Aby turned out.

[Luvbunny]

So they are assuming that the majority of players want MONK on every single thing in the game - hence the nerf, and the same goes to Warrior, hence more nerfs. But they still refuse to acknowledge another key component to this, WHITE MAGE. The most commonly used jobs in abyssea are Monk, Warrior, White Mage, Ninja, Thief and Black Mage for reasons we are all aware of. With the most common duo for Monk and White Mage, or White Mage + Warrior, Ninja, Thief. Take out the white mage components, and most of these duos won't work as well, probably not till they do the upcoming cure spells update. And soon they probably will do Stardiver nerf because the WS is working as intended and actually VERY popular and well liked. When a content is successful and well liked, and well received by the majority of the player base where it becomes the normal standard, the developer should rejoice, celebrate and come up with more similar blockbuster contents. Instead they focusing on "barance", impossible to finish magian trials, major bomb of a neo nyzul, lottery luck of VW, and the atrocious Araise coming soon to 1% of the white mage population.

[Sparthos]

They're already boosting cure power for non-WHM so what are you getting at?

[Neisan_Quetz]

They're already boosting cure power for WHM's C1-4 so what are you getting at?

fixed that.