Impetus and Tantra Cyclas +2

[Camate]

There was a short comment from Mizuki Ito mentioning that they were looking into whether or not the augmented Impetus effect on Tantra Cyclas +2 needed to be revamped. This caught the interest of some Japanese players and Ito responded a bit more in-depth.

•Current Status
We are monitoring this, but will most likely keep the stats the way it is now.
　
　
•Concerns
“Augments Impetus” increases the maximum value of enhanced critical hit damage, and the compatibility with Victory Smite is extremely high.
The enhanced critical hit damage increases by 1% every time an attack lands, and it can rise to a maximum value of 50%.

As a result of preserving this power, we are concerned about the below conditions arising.
1.Excessive power inflation
2.Necessity of a monk for everything, as well as situations where “as long as there is a monk other jobs are not needed”.
Example, (like Abyssea) situations where monks can be selected for content since they are able to tank full time.
　
•Based on the above
With the recent version update, in order to prevent an overall power inflation we reduced the TP critical hit modifier for Ukko’s Fury and Victory Smite.

When looking into this adjustment, we also considered the stats on Tantra Cyclas +2 and we intended to cut the adjustments just close enough so equipment would not have to be changed, so there shouldn’t be any problems with this in regards to power inflation.

Also, in regards to monks becoming essential for all content, the below are some reasons why it will not happen:

oImpetus effect will only increase when attacking and misses will reset the effect.
oDifficult to fight safely without taking damage during high level content such as long HNM battles, etc.
oDifficult to function as a tank continuously regardless of the content or situation.

[Alhanelem]

So am i interpreting this right? Basically, "Well, we thought about nerfing this, but decided not to?" How nice of them, I guess.

[Annalise]

My concern is that by wanting to avoid adjusting the equipment for monk and instead changing the weaponskill itself, this has a negative effect on PUP who didn't have a problem in the first place. Ultimately in the sense of critical hits, this change does a lot more to PUP than it does to MNK, as PUP's critical hit rate is reduced by an overall greater percent than MNK with the weaponskill change. (My thinking is that 15->10% change to WS at 100% TP, say PUP had 20% crit-> reduced to 15%, and Monk had 70% crit-> reduced to 65%, PUP went down 1/4 overall whereas MNK went down by 1/14 overall).

[Savlyn]

My concern is that by wanting to avoid adjusting the equipment for monk and instead changing the weaponskill itself, this has a negative effect on PUP who didn't have a problem in the first place. Ultimately in the sense of critical hits, this change does a lot more to PUP than it does to MNK, as PUP's critical hit rate is reduced by an overall greater percent than MNK with the weaponskill change. (My thinking is that 15->10% change to WS at 100% TP, say PUP had 20% crit-> reduced to 15%, and Monk had 70% crit-> reduced to 65%, PUP went down 1/4 overall whereas MNK went down by 1/14 overall).

This 100%. If 2 jobs can use the WS, one better than the other, it would make sense to fix the one that does OP dmg... not gimp them both. As a PUP, I would love something like Impetus for us then... something to not make VS worse than Stringing Pummel after we worked so hard on the Empy Weapon...

[Babekeke]

My concern is that by wanting to avoid adjusting the equipment for monk and instead changing the weaponskill itself, this has a negative effect on PUP who didn't have a problem in the first place. Ultimately in the sense of critical hits, this change does a lot more to PUP than it does to MNK, as PUP's critical hit rate is reduced by an overall greater percent than MNK with the weaponskill change. (My thinking is that 15->10% change to WS at 100% TP, say PUP had 20% crit-> reduced to 15%, and Monk had 70% crit-> reduced to 65%, PUP went down 1/4 overall whereas MNK went down by 1/14 overall).

But if you put this into a perspective of overall damage, I think you'll find it's much closer due to the added Automaton damage, which wasn't nerfed at all. Not to mention that this is just WS, and didn't affect DoT of either job.

[Annalise]

But if you put this into a perspective of overall damage, I think you'll find it's much closer due to the added Automaton damage, which wasn't nerfed at all. Not to mention that this is just WS, and didn't affect DoT of either job.

I'm not talking about overall damage (DoT, automaton, etc. etc.). I was only talking about a single weaponskill. And I simplified it a lot, yes, because you don't need to get into a lot of the math.

But really, PUP takes a much bigger hit on smites than Monk will by changing the weaponskill instead of impetus. Monk has a much higher critical rate than puppet master does.

And Smite skillchains better with your puppet than Pummel does, so it definitely has some good uses for PUP.

[Draylo]

Um, there is no "necessity" for MNK. People just use it because its easy, and for blunt proc being able to cover a wide range of the procs. Anything can face tank in Abyssea, even WHM lol.

[Darkvalkyr]

Okay, well...we know why they reduced VS' crits, and it's for MNK getting a +2 armor piece that can break them unless they nerfed the weapon skill.

Hmm. Something's amiss...

[Cyn]

With no hints of sarcasm what so ever, I can safely say that I am convinced that those that work for SE in this game in concerns to the game's mechanics, don't actually play this game. Because I have never in all the Linkshell and pickup groups I've been in, have we felt that we have to have a monk as a mandatory fitting in a party/group, unless it was for Voidwatch to get procs. And in our linkshell, we do have access to people with Verethragna's.

Then again, if they did actually play, this would be a topic about whether to remove the enhancement of Utsusemi from the Ninja Emp Feet.

[SpankWustler]

Example, (like Abyssea) situations where monks can be selected for content since they are able to tank full time.

When the guy who played a lead role in designing Abyssea makes a comment like this, my face and my palm join in a seemingly passionate embrace. They come together with a jarring collision, like a revolutionary and his fiance during a short respite in a bloody civil war. When the dictator is toppled, he promises, they will wed. But for now, during this brief moment of peace...SMOOSH!

Monk is sometimes required because it can kill stuff quickly and cover every single Blue !! during blunt hours.

Warrior is sometimes required because it can kill stuff quickly and cover the majority of Red !! forever and ever.

Tanking isn't in it in Abyssea. It's not part of that part of Final Fantasy XI.

Stuff appears. A !! hopefully appears over that stuff's head. That stuff is made to violently and rapidly disappear. The end.