2 crafts to 100

[Ezekieal]

So i remember this being in some announcement and the 2012 road map but havent heard zip on this in a while.

Can you tell us when this will be happening?

I dont care whether is the raise subs to lvl80 idea or the keep subs at 60 and have 80 lvls to spead around 60+ crafts idea, hell flip a coin just hurry and implement one please.

Thanks

Nevermind its all in the sticky but still the subject seems to of died which is intolerable.
This needs to be made a higher priority than it currently is.

[Raksha]

People complained and they changed their minds about it.

[Ezekieal]

ugh... why would people complain? thats it people are officially stupid

[Randnum]

If you look at what exactly it allows, I for one prefer that they focus on improving crafting itself in little ways rather than simply slapping on a band aid of 'you can level more crafts'.

There are very few recipes that directly matter for this. At best you require less people in your synergy parties or it becomes easier to find people with the crafts leveled for it, but you don't change anything other than giving crafters more to do with their time.

Do you think it would even revitalize the economy or crafting itself? Is there any great piece of gear that requires two crafts in such a way that you would be improving something?

Unless they then added more recipes that required specific combinations of 100 crafts or similar, it would probably just add another time sink to crafting.

As one who has watched multiple crafters push to 100, I cannot see the benefit to this unless there were a much bigger effort to help crafting itself over the course of multiple updates.

The above is why I for one am officially stupid.

[Godofgods]

Randnum does bring up some good points.

Raising the crafting lvls its self wont relay effect the economy of XI much IMO. Their are so few synths from the REAL crafts left are are worth making. If you want proof of that just realize; half the nin tool makers (formally one of the highest demand crafts) don't bother anymore.

So looking to improve the actual crafts themselves would be of great value. (unfortunately at this stage, probably very hard to do).

The only current benefit of raising the caps would simply be for those, like myself, that like to craft. Now granted I don't mind the idea, but effectively, their would be very little reason.

[Raksha]

If it makes little difference to current recipies, but makes it easier for ppl to craft their stuff (don't have to log to mules for example) then what's the problem with doing it?

I would think making it easier to craft big ticket items would be a deterrent, actually.

[saevel]

This would be a good idea in general. They should allow all crafts to go to 100, AND raise the cap so that one craft can go to 140/160 or ~insert new level here~. Level 75 was skill 100 era, we are now at level 99, time to bump up the crafting levels to compensate.

[Randnum]

People want different things. Some people like leveling their crafts, because it gives them a feeling of accomplishment. Some people like to actually have reasons to craft to sell or make things. And of course there are people who like both.

If you let more people raise more crafts, people can do more alone. It's similar to making Assault soloable. I don't object to this in itself, I even know what I'd do with my new 40 points. Yet I can say that I really would not hurry because FFXI's crafting just no longer works like that.

I suppose my point is, why two crafts to 100? Why not 3? 4? All?

Any argument that currently applies to 'why we shouldn't be able to max all crafts' applies, in a much MUCH reduced version, to why we aren't able to max two. It isn't like leveling jobs. It is for the sake of an economy that isn't even working directly.

No one is going to make more gil, at most they will diversify their craft portfolio and create bigger gaps between those who put a lot into crafting and those who don't.

If crafters are bored now, they need better/more things to make. Giving a particular player more things to make by giving them another craft to make them with, just decreases diversity and makes crafting markets more annoying. Niches cut in half, not to mention the number of HQ tiers that will suddenly be 'broken by twice as many people'.

I'm not saying 'this is an overall bad thing to do'. I'm saying that it's like adding a cheap thrill that would need to be balanced in order to somehow not make crafting more annoying in the end.

The totally personal 'do I want it' question's answer is no. I don't even like people much and I can see the great benefit in requiring me to find people who have the craft skills I need, for things.

[Raksha]

People want different things. Some people like leveling their crafts, because it gives them a feeling of accomplishment. Some people like to actually have reasons to craft to sell or make things. And of course there are people who like both.

If you let more people raise more crafts, people can do more alone. It's similar to making Assault soloable. I don't object to this in itself, I even know what I'd do with my new 40 points. Yet I can say that I really would not hurry because FFXI's crafting just no longer works like that.

I suppose my point is, why two crafts to 100? Why not 3? 4? All?

Any argument that currently applies to 'why we shouldn't be able to max all crafts' applies, in a much MUCH reduced version, to why we aren't able to max two. It isn't like leveling jobs. It is for the sake of an economy that isn't even working directly.

No one is going to make more gil, at most they will diversify their craft portfolio and create bigger gaps between those who put a lot into crafting and those who don't.

If crafters are bored now, they need better/more things to make. Giving a particular player more things to make by giving them another craft to make them with, just decreases diversity and makes crafting markets more annoying. Niches cut in half, not to mention the number of HQ tiers that will suddenly be 'broken by twice as many people'.

I'm not saying 'this is an overall bad thing to do'. I'm saying that it's like adding a cheap thrill that would need to be balanced in order to somehow not make crafting more annoying in the end.

The totally personal 'do I want it' question's answer is no. I don't even like people much and I can see the great benefit in requiring me to find people who have the craft skills I need, for things.

The problem is that the hardcore crafters DO have all their crafts levelled to 100, they just did it on separate mules.

Lots/most people only have 1 or 2 crafts anyway.

[Godofgods]

This would be a good idea in general. raise the cap so that one craft can go to 140/160 or ~insert new level here~. Level 75 was skill 100 era, we are now at level 99, time to bump up the crafting levels to compensate.

I have said that for a long time. New high levels should have been reflected in the crafts and their levels. Either higher levels for the craft, or redo all previous synth lvls to compensate for new level caps.

However... Its rather irrelevant now since synergy killed the main crafts. Their is no real equipment made for the post 75 era that uses a real craft and only a real craft.