WHM Have NO Natural Refresh Capability, WHY?

[koukennin]

I don't understand your mentality about this, Wolfe. All you're saying is that you want natural refresh because other jobs have it. Anytime someone says "hey, this is why WHM doesn't have it", you tell them they're wrong. Why can't you just accept WHM doesn't have natural refresh just because it doesn't have natural refresh. It's like if I was crying about DRG not having natural refresh or sTP trait. That's just the way the job is. If you're just gonna ignore the people who try to explain why they don't have/need it, why did you bother posting this?

[Volkai]

White Mage is a team player by design. Rely on your team for MP.

A White Mage that does not need to rely on others for MP is a White Mage that is duoing stuff with a Monk instead of taking part in full-party or alliance activities.

[Rya]

Okay, again, you are not paying attention.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Are you paying attention? NATURAL! Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
you FAILED! Read the post.

I feel like I gently handed you a plate of toast, and you took a bite expecting grape jelly, but it was strawberry jam, and after all your yelling I had to wipe bread crumbs off my face. Wow. Tic tac?

So when considering one method of MP recovery (natural refresh)...
...all other methods of MP recovery are irrelevant.
Also, gear is irrelevant. And support jobs are irrelevant.
...what game are we talking about? What's going on here?

I may get a GM to reply shortly after posting this.

I hope he asks you to be more polite, I think your tone is unnecessarily harsh.
(...see quote at top of this post...)

[Ganukay]

So, auto-refresh job trait is the only refresh that counts as natural? Gear for white mage isn't natural? We're given gear and subjobs for a reason. Unless you like to main heal as whm/thf with no gear on, your MP pool shouldn't be a problem inside or outside of abyssea. Yes, auto-refresh would be nice, but it's not necessary.

[Nahal]

a natural refresh is irrelavent since a whm will always have one of the other options, and unless you're having MAJOR problems with WHM maat, the only time i can think of you have to go without a sub, unless you're a crazy whm determinedly main healing /nin with no club or staff skill (or refusing to use MP restoring WSs) and with no MP restoring gear whatsoever with no bard, corsair or red mage plus have no fresh drinks of any kind, no AF3+1 or 2 pants not having any refresh atmas, or if outside abyssea no sanction fresh buff, oh AND there's an AoE damage aura of some kind preventing you from healing as well, the lack of a natural refresh trait is nothing. on the other hand should you find yourself in that situation, then yes, understandably having no natural MP restoring ability is a serious problem.

frankly if you ever find yourself in that situation you should ask, how the hell did this happen?

[Aaralyn]

I still don't see him saying "I'm having trouble managing MP, give WHM auto refresh". No, it isn't needed. I don't think I've seen him say that, either. All I've seen him ask is why WHM is the only one that doesn't have it. Other jobs that have it don't have to rely on their support jobs or gear, as WHM does.

Rya made a good point with af3 pants. But that is still gear.

BLM gets aspir, aspir II, their conserve mp trait, clear mind V
SMN gets auto refresh, elemental siphon, blood boon, clear mind V
RDM gets refresh, refresh II (yes, I know they don't stack), and convert
SCH get sublimation, penury, light arts, and clear mind V
BLU.. I honestly don't know enough about the job, so I may be wrong. But I think it's possible to equip the spells that give auto refresh along with something like MP kiss. I don't know.

Then add subjobs to those jobs. And refresh gear.

Looking at it that way is what makes me wonder why WHM doesn't get it. Does that mean I have trouble with MP? No.

[jimmie]

I think we're all trying to tell you why...

- We make MP last through conservation / management.
- We can achieve 50% cure potency with 35% stoneskin.
- We have WS's that produce large amounts of MP.
- We have access to most of the things you listed via support job: Convert, Refresh, Auto-Refresh, Sublimation, Aspir, etc.
- We can get up to 7mp/tick refresh from gear.
- We can use HMP to rest 60+ per tick (or more?).

You wanted responses from people who "ACTUALLY play WHM" - and you got us! I've been playing for 7 years, both back-line WHM and front-line WHM, and I love it to pieces!

Do I want another form of refresh to be ours, naturally? YES!

But I don't think you're going to get very many people joining a "WHM NEEDS FRESHES" army, because /SCH leveled the playing field for us ~3 years ago, allowing efficient back-line duties. Then, we got Mystic Boon ~2 years ago, allowing efficient front-line duties (in some cases) and easier soloing. Since then, we have overtaken RDM and others by maintaining unique access to the BigMcLargeHuge cures, while MP became basically unlimited.

When the next wave of updates changes things, we might need some adjustments to remain balanced, but until then I think the polls have shown we're pretty happy. And our happiness is another reason why.

lol...by this logic, no one jobs needs refresh...RDM has covert and he's mainly an enfeebler, SMN has an ungodly amount of mp, Pld is a tank (why would he need light magic? let the whm do it because it's a team effort), BLU has ALOT of everything else, etc. They can get everything else thjey want w/ subjob. So, just let the WHM cure and since it's a team effort, the the WHM can cast Devotion every 15 to 20 min. (kinda like refresh...for someone else) So Wolfe Auto-Refresh for WHM...but hey, u can kneel. Sorry lol

[Alkimi]

All those jobs need refresh more than WHM does.

BLU and PLD both generally /NIN so they don't gain anything from support jobs.

SMN have avatars constantly draining their MP.

RDM have to spend 88MP to cure for 500HP while WHMs can cure more than double that for 67-70 MP.

[jimmie]

Ok, I don't really disagree that all those jobs need refresh. I respect all their capabilities...and I apologize for the sarcasm but the point is: "Why can't SE give WHM an auto-refresh?" Whether they need it or not is not the issue. When I go into Abyssea, I get it thru atmas and cruor enhancements. When we fight the bosses, believe me, I need it. Conserve mp? I"ve been known to overkill but when that tank is in the red, try telling him he can have a cure3 only....not to mention bar-spells, enhancements (always in demand), paralyna, stona, and the divine spells....all easily handled in abyssea with the refresh enhancements. Soooo...ya...it would be nice to have it in other areas too. After all, WHM is a mage too. But what I hear everyone else saying is that we can achieve this with gear and subjobs which is true but there's a reason why other jobs have curing abilities without subbing WHM...I think it should be visa-versa. alas...SE makes the decisions and doesn't feel like WHM needs much to support themselves and I'll accept that because I love my WHM lol. Who knows, maybe there are no WHM in the dev group so they forget us....If you all want to think of me as incompetant or stupid, that's cool because I believe I only have to please myself

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Then by that logic may as well give auto-refresh to EVERY mage job.

As for forgetting WHM, you're joking right? How have WHM been forgotten? I can name at the minimum two jobs that have been forgotten, but I can assure you one is not WHM.