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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirabelle View Post
    Salvage dupes had no direct effect on me either but SE banned tons of folks for it. But as others have said, if SE sees people getting to floor 100 and doesn't know they cheated to do so, they won't fix the event and assume its "working as intended". Using 3rd party tools to gain an unfair advantage is strictly against the EULA and should be punished appropriately.
    Duplicating items 'messes with the economy' - where clearing floors slightly faster really has marginal-no effect on anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Duplicating items 'messes with the economy' - where clearing floors slightly faster really has marginal-no effect on anyone else.
    Read my post again, and tell me it has no effect on anyone else.

    If you cant do that, I'll grade1-ify it:
    Little Timmy is given 30 minutes to complete a math test, along with the rest of the class. No external notes are accepted, not even a cheat sheet. Little Johnny snuck in a cheat sheet. Everyone in the class fails to complete the test, except for Little Johnny. The class complains about how the test was impossible to complete in the given timeframe, even the class nerd who has generally been getting 90% or higher on all previous homeworks, but the teacher says the complaints are unfounded because Little Johnny finished in time.

    No re-test is given and all the children get grades of 20-60%, except for Little Johnny who scored somewhere between 80-100%, who passed because he was cheating.

    Little Johnny's cheating should have no effect on the outcome of the other classmates's results, it obviously did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    Read my post again, and tell me it has no effect on anyone else.

    If you cant do that, I'll grade1-ify it:
    Little Timmy is given 30 minutes to complete a math test, along with the rest of the class. No external notes are accepted, not even a cheat sheet. Little Johnny snuck in a cheat sheet. Everyone in the class fails to complete the test, except for Little Johnny. The class complains about how the test was impossible to complete in the given timeframe, even the class nerd who has generally been getting 90% or higher on all previous homeworks, but the teacher says the complaints are unfounded because Little Johnny finished in time.

    No re-test is given and all the children get grades of 20-60%, except for Little Johnny who scored somewhere between 80-100%, who passed because he was cheating.

    Little Johnny's cheating should have no effect on the outcome of the other classmates's results, it obviously did.
    Yeah except in the real world and in SE's, the teacher really doesn't give a fuck if you passed or failed the test, regardless of the situation. Both feel their job is done and they go home to their husband/wife while the boy cries as his father is belting his ass. And his outcome had nothing to do with his other classmates. To think that scenario ever played out in the real world, it's the same as all the kids competing in a competition get a medal. it rarely happens except for special olympics so question is, how far down this rabbit hole you wanna go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disifer View Post
    Yeah except in the real world and in SE's, the teacher really doesn't give a fuck if you passed or failed the test, regardless of the situation. Both feel their job is done and they go home to their husband/wife while the boy cries as his father is belting his ass. And his outcome had nothing to do with his other classmates. To think that scenario ever played out in the real world, it's the same as all the kids competing in a competition get a medal. it rarely happens except for special olympics so question is, how far down this rabbit hole you wanna go?
    You never took curved exams in university, did you?

    The funny thing is I've been "That guy" who gets a 98 on an exam while the class average is 45. Not through cheating, mind you, but it's certainly fucked plenty of people over as many profs in engineering classes will only curve to bring the highest grade to a 100. This means the class average of 45 was raised to a class average of 47 because one person managed to get a 98 on the exam.

    If you don't understand why curving exams at the university level is important, well then you're probably either too young to know better or too disillusioned to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    You never took curved exams in university, did you?

    The funny thing is I've been "That guy" who gets a 98 on an exam while the class average is 45. Not through cheating, mind you, but it's certainly fucked plenty of people over as many profs in engineering classes will only curve to bring the highest grade to a 100. This means the class average of 45 was raised to a class average of 47 because one person managed to get a 98 on the exam.

    If you don't understand why curving exams at the university level is important, well then you're probably either too young to know better or too disillusioned to care.
    Yeah I remember getting 90% on a biology exam where the class average was under 50% and they actually did curve my score to 113% just to bring the grades in line. Took pressure off the final knowing I had a 101% average going into the exam. Curved exams happened all the time when I was in University and certainly having a cheater screw things up would bollocks everyone else in that scenario.

    If people are only obtaining good gear through cheating, it ruins things for the rest of us indirectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    You never took curved exams in university, did you?

    The funny thing is I've been "That guy" who gets a 98 on an exam while the class average is 45. Not through cheating, mind you, but it's certainly fucked plenty of people over as many profs in engineering classes will only curve to bring the highest grade to a 100. This means the class average of 45 was raised to a class average of 47 because one person managed to get a 98 on the exam.

    If you don't understand why curving exams at the university level is important, well then you're probably either too young to know better or too disillusioned to care.
    You no were all screwed when even the teachers are cheating for the kids. Gotta wonder tho. Is it to make the kids look good, or the teachers? Classrooms basically promoting stupidity and laziness, then we wonder why 19 other countries graduate more scientist then we do.. I wonder why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godofgods View Post
    Man, you ppl never stop complaining. And that statement ^^ is asinine beyond belief. If you don't want ppl to cheat, don't make content that is hard. Seriously? And of course if it were easy then you would be complaining about the game having no challenge to it. ... ... ... Oh wait, ppl already are'


    People need to remember, their are 20 drastically different jobs. Their are ppl playing every day, and some once a week if their lucky. Some then spend eternity gaining better equipment, some that just get what time allows them to.
    Their is a drastic range of everything in players. You'll never be able to make something thats perfect for every single one!
    There's a difference between "Hard" and "If you're not running at 300% movement speed, you will not make it".

    Quote Originally Posted by Godofgods View Post
    You no were all screwed when even the teachers are cheating for the kids. Gotta wonder tho. Is it to make the kids look good, or the teachers? Classrooms basically promoting stupidity and laziness, then we wonder why 19 other countries graduate more scientist then we do.. I wonder why...
    Hey. Genius. If it's so easy to graduate as a scientist while being stupid and lazy in the US, wouldn't we graduate more of them than any other country?

    I wonder what your Ph.D is in.
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