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    Player Greatguardian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Are you talking about identifying lamp orders? That's the only abusable mechanic I know of and it could be easily prevented (although it should have never occurred in the first place, I don't know who at SE thought ordering the lamps like that).

    I'm not aware of any hacks applicable to Nyzul Isle, or what in particular are you referring to?
    See through walls, walk through walls, run at 200%+ speed fulltime, get an enemy-populated map of the area, etc could all be used to significantly shorten the amount of time it takes to clear any given floor.

    Most of the talk on BG about this is generally more along the vein of "God dammit, I do not want any event where I have to use X, Y, Z to win it. This is screwed up."
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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    See through walls, walk through walls, run at 200%+ speed fulltime, get an enemy-populated map of the area, etc could all be used to significantly shorten the amount of time it takes to clear any given floor.
    I see, I was wondering about Nyzul-specific hacks, although it does seem to be more susceptible/incentive to the use of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    etc could all be used to significantly shorten the amount of time it takes to clear any given floor
    Okay I thought the OP was talking about some new exploit made possible with third party tools and not the wall hack stuff that cheaters have been using on Nyzul. Thank you for explaining what's going on since the OP didn't, it certainly makes it less scary.

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    Honestly, if they didn't fix it then, I don't think they are going to fix it now. Nor do I think they are going to temp ban anyone short of going over chat logs after someone in a group reports someone and finding people gloating.

    It is wrong, people shouldn't be defending it regardless of the issue that (at least based on the information we have now) the new Nyzul area has very specific progression issues for being able to get gear over time. If people want the event to be fixed, they should be ignoring the cheaters because SE shouldn't balance around them and talk about what would fix this. Here is a link to a good thread for that. If people want to talk about implementing more counter measures for cheaters then I suppose they should post here, but again, I don't think SE is going to do much about a minority of people using the equivalent to wall hacks if they didn't do something four years ago, especially when it isn't on the level of forcing an item to drop that wasn't intended to - they probably value other adjustments more and have limited resources.
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    Oh don't worry they will...in about 2 or 3 years like with Salvage bans.
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    I dont mind the 3rd party users so long as they use them and then go away to leave the rest of us to do it the right way. They are the ones that will get burnt out off the game because they dont take time to enjoy it to its full extent. I dont care what other people have, I assume they all cheated if they get it the first week of release or that they just dont have any social life in real life....I play the game to enjoy it, not to crow like a hen says im better than you because I have it first or I am first in x. If you dont enjoy the game and just want to rush it to completion then why play it at all.......
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