Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

[Scribble]

I think the people arguing against it have different goals in mind. To me 25 kills for a free piece of armor just a side reward, I'm not going to aim for 25 kills to get the armor I want.

Nothing is free. Assuming you farmed a complete set with a group of 6, you're looking at a minimum of 375 man-hours assuming you don't have any failed runs. I'm not against grinding out gear I want, but it would be nice if you could trade those hours/months for some entertainment at the same time.

I'd still like to point out the glaring gap between the rewards for floor 80 vs floor 100. Personally, as luck based as this event is, I'd probably take my chances with floor 100 given the odds. Breaking 5% success rate would be better than 125 flawless runs at floor 80.

If I couldn't get a group to beat those odds I'd probably give up. It's a game and the purpose is entertainment. I guess I've just worn the grind nerve out when it comes to events that don't put out in a reasonable amount of time; events that are enjoyable being the exception.

[Juilan]

DEVS: Dear players... we realize you want some form of reassurence that you are doing something over time rather than being screwed over by our random number generator (that we haven't taken the -1 glitch out of that gets you your item hehe <3) We'll get give you the ability to turn in for "enhanced armor" will be after a month of doing it about once a day... since you won't always kill the NM you are after.

Enjoy your 12$+ /month fee!

[Luvbunny]

15 kills is the perfect number, 20 is a bit pushing it, 25 is just a troll grind out of laziness from the developer. They probably should just meet in the middle and make it 20 kills so that everyone is somewhat satisfied.

[hiko]

25 is good, if you don't want to kill 25 times a monster for one piece of gear get better and target floor 100!
If you cant reach 100 just be happy that you can get 100 gear

+on your 25 80 kill you'll get +3 gears that might be better than what you already have (you dont get 1 piece of gear but one TOP gear and a bunch of good gear)

This is where you went wrong. Shouting for 5 other people who are after the same piece of gear as you is dumb.

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good luck reaching 80 with /sh groups!

My point is that it's also doubtful that people will be clearing 80 100% of the time. 125 days for a set, if that is your goal, is reasonable but it's not something that will be happening for most people. I wasn't really trying to say that beating floor 100 everyday is reasonable either, but looking at some of the posts since Camate posted gives the impression that this is exactly what people are planning on.

That said, Floor 80(in all honesty) is a pretty high goal for a lot of people. Lets just assume that an amazing streak of luck and great execution will put you in a set of gear in 150 days. That's 5 straight months of grind. Now consider that you only need 5 wins at floor 100 to achieve the same goal. The floor 80 route assumes just over 80% success rate. To match that on floor 100 you only need a 3% success rate...

See what I'm saying? To achieve the same goal you either need 5/6 attempts at floor 80 or 1/30 attempts at floor 100. It just seems to me that if you take a group competent enough to clear 80 with that kind of frequency, it isn't a stretch to think that dumb luck would work out for them more than once a month on floor 100...

/shrug

"working as intended". someone targeting 100 should get 100 gear A LOT FASTER than someone targeting 80!
but imo floor 100 ticket is not (and should not be) a 1:1 trade, since everybody in pt get it + random0-2(3?) drop + 0-1 linen purse (yes, you can find a floor100 kill pic with 2drp+1linen).
Need a better ratio than 1:25 for floor100KI trade

Ermmmm where are you getting these numbers? I haven't heard of any of the items from old NI being lower than %10, which means that getting all three old sets takes as long as getting 1 new set. .

so ONE people getting three (total THREE) "so-so" sets (in perfect luck condition) take same time than SIX people getting one (total SIX) TOP set?+ whatever gear from80(45 using same drop rate than the one doing old nyzul)that are better than nyzul back at 75)?
+ you needed to climb100 @least once to get your 3sets!

There are very good odds that there will be better gear out before anyone completes all three sets

agree on that part but
-there is already piece of gear that are better than some of nyzul100 piece ie you dont need full set and if you just want full for having full you'll still want full when SE add better gear
-the fail is not in 25win but in 1tag/day



TLDR: keep 25:1 ratio, make tag refresh faster!

[Scribble]

"working as intended". someone targeting 100 should get 100 gear A LOT FASTER than someone targeting 80!

By that logic, shouldn't someone targeting floor 80 get gear "A LOT FASTER" than someone targeting 60?

I'd go to the trouble of deriving a tiered system, but Camate already listed that for us in his post. I'm almost 9000% sure that they decided against it because the gear you receive is better for each progressive boss. I'm definitely 9001% sure they didn't factor in that it already takes more effort(read: luck) to reach higher floors. Not only that, but the chance of failure(read: bad luck) would offset a lower number of kills needed.

Nearly 10 years later and SE still forgets how much players value concepts like progression and risk vs reward.

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[Mahoro]

Well they made it 5 kills per piece instead of 25, so either all the excessive moaning worked or someone mistranslated the original dev message regarding 25 kills and created enough false rumor spreading among you to put a sorority house to shame.

[SpankWustler]

Well they made it 5 kills per piece instead of 25, so either all the excessive moaning worked or someone mistranslated the original dev message regarding 25 kills and created enough false rumor spreading among you to put a sorority house to shame.

If I'm reading it correctly, the situation is this:

Incoming Very Soon - Five wins means a guaranteed item from that specific floor.

Incoming But Maybe Not So Soon - Twenty-five wins means a guaranteed item from 20 floors higher.

[Mahoro]

You may be right. Looks like we need to moan more!

[Mahoro]

Yeah this does lookslike the promised system where if you get 5 kills from that floor, you get to choose an item from THAT floor. If the items are the same though, that may be nice. You can build up key items for that floor or save them for higher items. Flexibility and progression.

[Scribble]

Well they made it 5 kills per piece instead of 25, so either all the excessive moaning worked or someone mistranslated the original dev message regarding 25 kills and created enough false rumor spreading among you to put a sorority house to shame.

Yeah, I think this is in addition to what Camate listed in the previous dev post. So now for every piece of higher tier gear you earn you get a free set of gimp gear. 100 floor people now have a 'buy 5 get one free' incentive.

woot!