Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

[Fupafighter]

Oh and If you look at my gear, I'm an "average" player lol. I'm ranked like 350th on my server and I have 4 empyrians and decked out jobs...THATs average.

[Starry]

From my view...the event wasn't meant to hit floor 100 every run ffs lol... 80 is certainly achievable over and over.

'Over and over' is a relative term. Obviously it was designed to NOT get to 100 except by dumb luck - and that's the issue. The fact you aren't comprehending the simple term of 'progression' really shows that you are part of that average player base. It doesn't matter if you aren't supposed to reach there the grand majority of the time, so long as their is progression along the way; which there isn't. Obvious problem is obvious.

[Karbuncle]

It's the opposite, actually.

It's not hard to be classified as a good player. It takes very little work to be at the top. It takes only basic gear, understanding, and attitude really. Nothing that's out of reach for anyone. It is so frustratingly simple that it boggles the mind how small a portion of the playerbase this is.

Mira and I simply have different definitions of middle class. Honestly, it's not hard to be in the relative upper class. At the same time, you absolutely do not get there by owning an Uther's Grip (Inventory -1 for everything, ever). The definition of bad player that most people use these days has nothing to do with not having the best gear, but rather having gear that is so mind-bogglingly stupid and/or having gear that could be good with very easy, very simple fixes that the player will never, ever do because their egos get in the way.

No one ever said middle class was average, however. Middle class is just that - middle class. The average in FFXI is most certainly awful. So what? Does that make it acceptable? Not in the slightest.

Going to pretty much have to agree 100% With GG. The difference between lower class and middle class in FFXI is basically the "DERP and/or Lazy" Division line.

Lets say, You're wearing average AH or EX gear (Emp+1) But you're still capping haste or close too it, Decent Accessories, and a non-emp/relic weapon, and use gear swaps for at least TP and WS. , and using your gear effectively, and always willing to take advice - You're middle class.

Lets say, You're wearing Empyrean+1, Not capping Haste, and Full-timing one set of armor, and b*tch about how much of a life you have and how its your 12.95 when people offer advice, You're Lower Class, Because you done crossed the DERP line.

One thing i want to point out, i REALLY agree with GG on the whole "Ego i the way" Bit. Because, Ego is the biggest thing that keeps stupids stupid. its not even about what gear you do or don't have, Its about how intelligently you use what you have at your disposal. If you don't own Empyrean+1/+2 Armor, or some of the best options, and can only pick off AH? Its about what you chose.

Life is made up of a thousand choices, Its the choice you make that defines you. "Someones being a dick about my gear" you have 2 choices "Go off on them, pull RL Card, Babble" or "Thank them for the advice and move on". Ego generally pulls you to the First option, But you should take the second one, Just because they're an ass doesn't mean you should be.

Now, Given multiple Choice, You're a fresh 99 THF, and you have 500k, and the AH is your only option, what do you buy? The correct answer is:
Brego Helm, Aurore Body, Dusk Gloves, Aurore Pants, Aurore Feet.

If your budget was higher...
Ocelom/+1 head, Ocelom/+1 Body, Brego/Noh Mitts, Aurore Pants, dusk+1/Sune-atethings Feet.

Basically, Its the line between using the best of what you can get, and just being stupid/lazy. If you purchased Aurore Head or Hands? You just got stupid. Because Dusk Gloves/+1 and Brego/Ocelomeh/+1 are on the AH, Offer more haste and better stats overall.

These are just a few examples. As GG Said, Every single person has the ability to be 'middle class'. It just takes the right attitude, a little research, and the willingness to learn. But attitude problems, unwilling to listen to advice, and ego are the biggest things that get in the way. Even when those offering you advice seem like ego-freaks or are being jerks, Don't snoop to their level.

Oh, And if you refer to everyone with good gear who offers advice as "Elitist" you're also lower class, Cause you've crossed over into "DERP" territory. There are plenty of Elitists in this game, But not everyone with a relic or mythic who tries to offer advice and knows math or gear selections is an Elitist.

[Afania]

Edit: Derp, fStr2 not fStr. Reaver Grip +1 is 1.7 WSC vs 1~2 fStr2. It's a less useful grip than Reaver overall, though, and useless for Wildfire.

4 x 0.5=2, plus 2 rattk, STR +4 grip should pull ahead of reaver +1. Last Stand is also way stronger than WF on T3 VW if done right,like 3k~4k+ LS v.s 2kish WF, and should be WS of choice on T3VW(I still don't know why everyone and their mother always love to spam WF on T3s, even on Qilin, when Last stand can do 1k~2k more, not really a whole lot less useful grip IMO.

[SpankWustler]

Disagree, entirely. I think the middle class predominates. You would agree that most elitists are generally done with Abyssea. Yet those zones are filled with folks every night I'm on. When we run our empy group, most of the competition is coming from groups like ours of average geared players killing the same mobs. When I farm in Dyna, its also filled with average geared BST's and THF's. These people are all over, but the elitists never see them since they run so far ahead of the curve they never linger.

Sadly I have no way to formally prove this, although when SE published mission completion rate a few years back and most players hadn't completed Promies, it kind of told you something about where the majority of players are at.

If most people in an area ate rocks when fresh vegetables were available just half-a-mile away, that wouldn't make rocks a prime example of "a moderately nourishing foodstuff". That would just mean the majority of people in that area ate a lot of rocks and broke a lot of teeth and took a lot of unpleasant poops.

There's a world of different between the performance of a bro who uses easily obtained gear to make a decent Haste set and a decent weaponskill set, and the performance of a bro who full-times whatever falls onto his head. Yet, the time and effort both put in isn't that different.

It doesn't take much time to figure out what kind of stuff to use and how to use it. You don't need any amount of in-game time or any amount of gil to know a Keen Ring is a better option in a TP set than a Spiral Ring, and a thus use that instead until you obtain an Epona's Ring, for example.

I think what the majority of people do in FFXI and what is average are two different things in terms of performance, although very similar in time and effort expended.

[Dreamin]

Oh and If you look at my gear, I'm an "average" player lol. I'm ranked like 350th on my server and I have 4 empyrians and decked out jobs...THATs average.

oh wait, ranking 350 on the server with 4 emp makes you elite??? Holy cow, I'm going to jump for joy cuz I'm now elite!!! Wooooot call the press!!! I'm upsetting the whole entire elitist mindset here oh noooooooo....

Please ppl, it's as if ffxiah ranking means anything. lol

I know ppl who is ranked in the top 100 without any R/E/M, so what does that mean really?

People (idiots) who keep insisting crap like this is just so idiotic.


Majority of the people who are complainting about this event understood that SE is trying to make Nyzul Isle hard in a way so that Floor 80/100 isn't your every run possibility. However, by doing so, they have made 100 impossible to get to without the use of 3rd party tools. That's what we wanted fixed. We want to make 100 possible without the use of ANY 3rd party tools you know for those that are on the consoles? For those that says consoles players shouldn't be able to achieve these because you have access to tools and they done, you're just idiots.

SE, stop making events that encourages ppl to cheat to be able to enjoy.

[Atoreis]

I would like to suggest small fix to nyzul isle so please hit the "like" to bring SE attention ( ofc you dont need to if you dont like to ^^ )


I would say exit option at lamp should be 2 steps. First should let you finish the event (timer stop, mobs disappear, cant go to next floor) and 2nd click should let you exit. This will prevent from losing drops because of time ends few seconds after killing the boss or/and ppl are dead and can't lot. Its a small fix but pretty important imo.

[Starry]

oh wait, ranking 350 on the server with 4 emp makes you elite??? Holy cow, I'm going to jump for joy cuz I'm now elite!!! Wooooot call the press!!! I'm upsetting the whole entire elitist mindset here oh noooooooo....

Please ppl, it's as if ffxiah ranking means anything. lol

I know ppl who is ranked in the top 100 without any R/E/M, so what does that mean really?

People (idiots) who keep insisting crap like this is just so idiotic.


Majority of the people who are complainting about this event understood that SE is trying to make Nyzul Isle hard in a way so that Floor 80/100 isn't your every run possibility. However, by doing so, they have made 100 impossible to get to without the use of 3rd party tools. That's what we wanted fixed. We want to make 100 possible without the use of ANY 3rd party tools you know for those that are on the consoles? For those that says consoles players shouldn't be able to achieve these because you have access to tools and they done, you're just idiots.

SE, stop making events that encourages ppl to cheat to be able to enjoy.

has nothing to do with 3rd party tools for many of us bro, has to deal with taking gameplay out of the hands of the players; and injecting derpderpluck as a gameplay mechanic. It's like if 3 years ago they decided that occasionally when breaking an hourglass to handout it would randomly shatter and waste your money/time rather then splitting. Luck based gameplay =/= fun.

We can all accept luck based drops, not luck based mechanics. Progression + Removal of stupid floor jumps = a 100x better event.

[Tsuneo]

I don't see how third party tools has nothing to with the problem. Even with third party tools, it's a crapshoot making it to 100. Now remove third party tools from the equation. Even with impeccable teamwork, it's going to be even more of a crapshoot making it to 100.

[Fupafighter]

oh wait, ranking 350 on the server with 4 emp makes you elite??? Holy cow, I'm going to jump for joy cuz I'm now elite!!! Wooooot call the press!!! I'm upsetting the whole entire elitist mindset here oh noooooooo....

Please ppl, it's as if ffxiah ranking means anything. lol

I know ppl who is ranked in the top 100 without any R/E/M, so what does that mean really?

People (idiots) who keep insisting crap like this is just so idiotic.


Majority of the people who are complainting about this event understood that SE is trying to make Nyzul Isle hard in a way so that Floor 80/100 isn't your every run possibility. However, by doing so, they have made 100 impossible to get to without the use of 3rd party tools. That's what we wanted fixed. We want to make 100 possible without the use of ANY 3rd party tools you know for those that are on the consoles? For those that says consoles players shouldn't be able to achieve these because you have access to tools and they done, you're just idiots.

SE, stop making events that encourages ppl to cheat to be able to enjoy.

I have an idea....suck less then lol. People are capable of doing it without Hacks noob...Just get better and understand the game more and quit your bitchin. And i was talking about me being a casual player...how in anyway was i saying "im elite".