Throwing

[Bulrogg]

I really ought to test out Sange with my Iga Kyahan +2 and Utsusemi: Ni on.

I usually pick up cheap shurikens from the Tenshindo when I'm in town. Was doing Briareus the other night and opened with a :Ni Sange (w/ Iga Kyahan +2) the dmg was somewhere in the 500 range. I thought it was pretty good for being the weakest throwing stars around. But let it be said, I'm not one of those that play FFXI for the math of it. I just like to have fun and my idea of pretty good damage is most likely another's idea of weak sauce damage.

[wish12oz]

I usually pick up cheap shurikens from the Tenshindo when I'm in town. Was doing Briareus the other night and opened with a :Ni Sange (w/ Iga Kyahan +2) the dmg was somewhere in the 500 range.

And this is my exact problem with throwing illustrated, with marches and haste you're missing 2 attack rounds (maybe even 3, possibly up to 5 attack rounds lost if you want to count recasting utsusemi) doing that sange, and the 2 attack rounds would do more damage. Counting my DA/TA rate, crit rate, that would be about 600-800 damage I missed losing 2 attack rounds, and that's if empyrean aftermath doesn't kick in on any of the hits. With 5 lost rounds, you're talking 1500->2k+ damage, and at least 50% tp, so you're half a weapon skill behind where you could be.

I understand you were using weak throwing weapons, but even if you had good throwing weapons, I don't see it doing all that much more, and if it's not going to do more damage then you're currently doing, and it's taking your shadows, why would you use it?

[Karumac]

I understand you were using weak throwing weapons, but even if you had good throwing weapons, I don't see it doing all that much more, and if it's not going to do more damage then you're currently doing, and it's taking your shadows, why would you use it?

Do it for fun?

[wish12oz]

Do it for fun?

My idea of fun is being the person everyone looks at and thinks "That person is awesome and killed that whatevermob super fast and is awesome at this game." If you're idea of fun is making other people wait around to pop stuff cause you're killing it slow, I pray to God we don't ever meet in game and I have to wait for you to kill something.

[Akujima]

And this is my exact problem with throwing illustrated, with marches and haste you're missing 2 attack rounds (maybe even 3, possibly up to 5 attack rounds lost if you want to count recasting utsusemi) doing that sange, and the 2 attack rounds would do more damage. Counting my DA/TA rate, crit rate, that would be about 600-800 damage I missed losing 2 attack rounds, and that's if empyrean aftermath doesn't kick in on any of the hits. With 5 lost rounds, you're talking 1500->2k+ damage, and at least 50% tp, so you're half a weapon skill behind where you could be.

I understand you were using weak throwing weapons, but even if you had good throwing weapons, I don't see it doing all that much more, and if it's not going to do more damage then you're currently doing, and it's taking your shadows, why would you use it?

you're assuming that EVERY battle you're going to stay in melee range, and not have to back away from a bosses AoE or, possibly a flying boss that only ranged and magic work on, wherein shuriken can be really useful for NIN being able to get in some extra dmg. And NIN failing at being a jack of all trades melee? Did you miss something, or do you even play NIN? Tank. Gear switch -> Melee. Gear switch -> Ninjutsu DD. Gear Switch -> (Now this is where we need improved ranged capabilities)

Tell me some more things about job abilities, and your stereotypical "You Fail" posts. I got kicked from a PT for being MNK/DRG at Lv41 without even proving how much dmg I could do, lets see if you can figure out the gear combinations for that one.

[wish12oz]

Did you miss something, or do you even play NIN? Tank. Gear switch -> Melee. Gear switch -> Ninjutsu DD. Gear Switch -> (Now this is where we need improved ranged capabilities)

This is where I became aware you had no idea what you were doing. Good ninjas don't have separate sets for meleeing and tanking, since DD tanking has been the only thing ninja has been good at since 2006 when pld/nin overtook nin/drk for hard fights you can't DD tank. Not to mention that fact that pretty much everything is done in abyssea these days, and you DD tank everything in there. Even the things outside abyssea are DD tanked now, since that's always worked best on weaker mobs, and everything outside is now under that description since gaining 15 levels. The other day, I killed King Behemoth for instance, we had 5 people, and straight tanked it the whole time with DDs.

[Akujima]

This is where I became aware you had no idea what you were doing. Good ninjas don't have separate sets for meleeing and tanking.

ok great you called me on a technicality, im actually going to agree with you for once on this, as pre-abyss I used to Tank with a Haubergeon. "Melee" should technically be "WS gear", and whatever else there is, Haste gear, and Evasion gear, blah blah, etc.

But here is where the narrow view comes in, where people seem to think that its fun to just smash stuff like a caveman, without having to account for the situational and circumstantial battles that occur. Something which has been less prevalent in FFXI these days, or is that what you opt for?

Although I find it quite absurd why anyone would want something tasteless and bland, unless you enjoy prison food. I say stop the de-evolution and re-integrate dynamic tactics and depth of involvement. Otherwise it will just turn into pushing 1 button to win the game. Gratz.

[wish12oz]

But here is where the narrow view comes in, where people seem to think that its fun to just smash stuff like a caveman, without having to account for the situational and circumstantial battles that occur. Something which has been less prevalent in FFXI these days, or is that what you opt for?

These situations do not occur. Your point has no relevancy. If you want to do something different, it's best to play a different job, rather then complain you want SE to change an existing job from the way it's worked since being introduced.

Although I find it quite absurd why anyone would want something tasteless and bland,

If you don't like the job, don't play it.

[Bulrogg]

These situations do not occur.

Are you fighting the same mob over and over? I have gone up against many mobs that are best kept distance from; and while keeping at a safe distance I toss a few :Ni/:San and yes; even shuriken.

If you aren't fighting a mob like that I see your point. But some people are and they would like to see an adjustment to some of Ninjas ranged attacking methods (Elemental and Throwing).

Is not fighting those mobs an excuse to have a closed mine and not see situations where a made adjustment can be useful?

I am more on the fence about throwing than ever before... but I would like to see (from both sides of the community) is the posters here stop imposing their playing style on everyone else. We have to get over the fact that not every person/party/alliance/linkshell fight/kite/kill the same mobs the same way.

All of this bickering and telling people to go do such-n-such or play another job is just a lot of negativity and going to get threads closed. That is why I keep asking people to bite their cheek in their replies. Make your point and hit reply before saying something that gets the thread closed or you banned.

What ever happened to "if can't say something nice...?" (I always preferred "speak like your grandmother is listening" cause my granny didn't put up with anything lol)