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[Akujima]

Accomplishing more is better then accomplishing less isn't it? or did I somehow end up in bizarro world....

Accomplishing more of what exactly?

[wish12oz]

Accomplishing more of what exactly?

Anything.

But generally accomplishments are viewed as mobs you defeated (not so much anymore) and items received/gotten for others.

What I am saying is, your end game LS could get twice as much done as they do now, if you played correctly. By correctly, I mean, killed stuff as fast as possible, instead of dragging your feet and using throwing items, drk dds, pld tanks, kiting stuff you don't need to kite, or whatever inefficient stuff you're doing.

Tell you what, ask your LS if everyone would rather spend the next month gearing 1 job for everyone, or gearing half a job for everyone. I bet you none of them want to get only half a job done, which is basically what you're suggesting by saying doing things quickly and efficiently is bad.

[Akujima]

Tell you what, ask your LS if everyone would rather spend the next month gearing 1 job for everyone, or gearing half a job for everyone. I bet you none of them want to get only half a job done, which is basically what you're suggesting by saying doing things quickly and efficiently is bad.

Now look at it this way.

Ask your LS if everyone would rather spend the next month gearing 1 job for everyone, but there will be constant arguing and bickering at eachother, a few LS members leave because of constant LS drama, and it feels like we're going to work a 9-5 job in a video game.

or

Gearing half a job for everyone, while some LS members get to know each other some more, and have some interesting discussions, make friends, build a sense of cooperation and teamwork, have fun playing with one another and learning each others play styles, and at the end of it all, feel a sense of accomplishment together for completing a challenging battle.

Your choice.

But if the quick road to more and better items is draining and only gives me a headache, and the acquisition of material goods strips away from whats most important in life: actually having fun, together. Count me out.

[Greatguardian]

I dunno.

Me and my friends get stuff done and all have at least one Empyrean weapon.

But we have fun.

What could that possibly mean?

Oh yeah. People who don't run around with massive inferiority complexes, linking being good at FFXI to being a jackass, already understand that the two are completely independent concepts. There are jackass, workaholic noobs (TONS). There are chill, laid back elites (eg: everyone I associate myself with, and there are plenty). The only thing you're spreading is ignorance.

People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.

[Akujima]

People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Tell me then, what is the solution?

[Greatguardian]

I thought that was already fairly explicit. You can be good at the game and still have fun. That is the solution.

Perpetuating the myth that it's impossible to do both just justifies people like you who refuse to bother learning the game because it's "wrong" as opposed to "having friends" which is "right".

[wish12oz]

Perpetuating the myth that it's impossible to do both just justifies people like you who refuse to bother learning the game because it's "wrong" as opposed to "having friends" which is "right".

I stopped feeling the need to reply to this thread after seeing GG's posts. What more needs to be said?

Also: I get along with everyone in my group of friends/LS, and we have lots of fun, and we're super effing amazing.

[Akujima]

I thought that was already fairly explicit. You can be good at the game and still have fun. That is the solution.

Yea, but your perception of being "good at the game" differs from my perception of being "good at the game".

To you, if I can't keep up damage on the charts high enough, because my gear isn't all +2's and I'm not using the "right" subjob, I'm "bad at the game"

To me, If I'm having fun playing and I enjoy the idea of having dynamic situational abilities, and feel like I'm actually playing a "Ninja job" and having FUN doing it. I'm "good at the game"

To you, I'm just a workaholic noob, with an inferiority complex whom you can toss Naruto insults at because you're the cool laid back elite.

Anyways, this is just another mind %@#&

[Greatguardian]

Being good at FFXI is not subjective.

Enjoying FFXI? Sure. But if you can't be good at FFXI and still enjoy it, it's a personal problem.

There's a time and place for dicking around on NIN/RNG. I've messed around with it, sure. Same with some other weirdo job combos; MNK/PLD comes to mind (and wasn't too bad at the time), same with WHM/PLD. But I dicked around with them on my own time, in the middle of nowhere, where I wasn't negatively affecting anyone else's gameplay. I had some fun experimenting, and no one else got screwed because of it.

When other people's playtime is being influenced by me? If I'm in a busy zone, or in a group? You bet your ass I'm going to perform to the best of my ability, even if it means doing something the "Cookie Cutter" way. I still have fun because I enjoy the company of the people I'm around, and I enjoy accomplishing things with them. I could care less what job I'm on, or what strat I'm using, because those are completely independent of the fun for me in a cooperative multiplayer game.

[Akujima]

Being good at FFXI is not subjective.

Enjoying FFXI? Sure. But if you can't be good at FFXI and still enjoy it, it's a personal problem.

Oh I'm sure, I bet nothing is subjective at all.

Actually, doing things the "cookie cutter" way all the time, and standing in 1 spot pounding 1~2 macro's get's extremely boring after awhile. Also begging the LS to help me camp empyrean weapon (because the competition for NM's is up to the eyeballs in campers) so I don't "suck", gives me a headache. Not to mention showing up on schedule for an event (sound like work at all?) otherwise I'll be deducted points and be excluded from all the sweet sweet gear, that usually goes to 2~3 "uber cool" people in the LS anyways.

And I thought I was suppose to be the "Workaholic Noob"...

All that stuff might be fun to you, but it feels like I'm smashing my head against the wall just to "get things done". You want to correlate efficiency with mind numbing repetition, go ahead. But if I have "personal problems" because I don't like logging into a video game and feeling like I'm at work, then by all means, I await your next reply with the predictable Naruto insult.


EDIT: Cooperative multiplayer game? Wrong. FFXI has changed from Cooperative to Competitive. If you fail to know the difference between those two words, it helps to skill up in "English".