Throwing

[wish12oz]

But here is where the narrow view comes in, where people seem to think that its fun to just smash stuff like a caveman, without having to account for the situational and circumstantial battles that occur. Something which has been less prevalent in FFXI these days, or is that what you opt for?

These situations do not occur. Your point has no relevancy. If you want to do something different, it's best to play a different job, rather then complain you want SE to change an existing job from the way it's worked since being introduced.

Although I find it quite absurd why anyone would want something tasteless and bland,

If you don't like the job, don't play it.

[Bulrogg]

These situations do not occur.

Are you fighting the same mob over and over? I have gone up against many mobs that are best kept distance from; and while keeping at a safe distance I toss a few :Ni/:San and yes; even shuriken.

If you aren't fighting a mob like that I see your point. But some people are and they would like to see an adjustment to some of Ninjas ranged attacking methods (Elemental and Throwing).

Is not fighting those mobs an excuse to have a closed mine and not see situations where a made adjustment can be useful?

I am more on the fence about throwing than ever before... but I would like to see (from both sides of the community) is the posters here stop imposing their playing style on everyone else. We have to get over the fact that not every person/party/alliance/linkshell fight/kite/kill the same mobs the same way.

All of this bickering and telling people to go do such-n-such or play another job is just a lot of negativity and going to get threads closed. That is why I keep asking people to bite their cheek in their replies. Make your point and hit reply before saying something that gets the thread closed or you banned.

What ever happened to "if can't say something nice...?" (I always preferred "speak like your grandmother is listening" cause my granny didn't put up with anything lol)

[wish12oz]

Are you fighting the same mob over and over? I have gone up against many mobs that are best kept distance from; and while keeping at a safe distance I toss a few :Ni/:San and yes; even shuriken.

If you aren't fighting a mob like that I see your point. But some people are and they would like to see an adjustment to some of Ninjas ranged attacking methods (Elemental and Throwing).

Why don't you tell me what you're fighting by kiting it, using weak nukes and throwing bad shurikens at it, so I can tell you "you're doing it wrong, straight tank it and kill it faster." There is nothing in the game currently that you need to fight like this, except Cuelebre, because it flys and you cant actually melee it. Not only do you not need to fight anything like this, but it is highly inefficient to fight things like this, since straight tanking makes things die faster, and for anything worth anything right now, time matters. The "I can't stand next to the mob" excuse is not valid at all.

So, tell me what you're kiting, and I will tell you why you don't need to.

[Akujima]

Why don't you tell me what you're fighting by kiting it, using weak nukes and throwing bad shurikens at it, so I can tell you "you're doing it wrong, straight tank it and kill it faster."

You have obviously missed the entire point, and just went straight back to your personal perception being the all in all. This just proves that it's clearly a waste of time trying to have a healthy debate here.

[Bulrogg]

We have to get over the fact that not every person/party/alliance/linkshell fight/kite/kill the same mobs the same way.

It doesn't matter what mob we are "doing wrong" we are doing it the way we see fit. It's our monthly fee, so we will skin the cat our way. And "In" before "I hope I'm not in line" etc.... because if you're in line for a mob behind us, you'll just have to wait because we all don't do things the same way.

[Akujima]

It doesn't matter what mob we are "doing wrong" we are doing it the way we see fit. It's our monthly fee, so we will skin the cat our way. And "In" before "I hope I'm not in line" etc.... because if you're in line for a mob behind us, you'll just have to wait because we all don't do things the same way.

Bulrogg, wish12oz seems to think that we are on here tooting our horn at how good Throwing and Ninjutsu currently are, rather than seeing the obvious, about how we are opting for improvements in those respective abilities/skills.

[wish12oz]

Ya, we don't all do things the same way, some people like to waste everyone else's time. Saying it's your monthly fee is also irrelevant, because everyone waiting on you to finish, is also paying monthly fee's! You are also right, there is lots of ways to do things, but, there is only one quick and efficient way to kill things, because one way will always be the fastest, and that is the correct way to do things.

[Bulrogg]

Throwing is situaional at best. It could be updated to make it more than that. I am for this update.

Do things your way and just hope you don't get stuck waiting for a ??? behind me. I play the game for enjoyment with the style I choose. So sorry it offends you and your mantra of 'only one way things should be done'.

[Akujima]

...because one way will always be the fastest, and that is the correct way to do things.

Sounds like dogmatic religiosity to me.

You're also assuming "Fastest" to mean the same thing as "Correct"

Ever hear the story of the tortoise and the hare?

[wish12oz]

Throwing is situaional at best. It could be updated to make it more than that. I am for this update.

Do things your way and just hope you don't get stuck waiting for a ??? behind me. I play the game for enjoyment with the style I choose. So sorry it offends you and your mantra of 'only one way things should be done'.

It cannot be updated to anything beyond a low level damage tool until they make haste affect ranged attacks, which they basically refuse to do, so it will never be good or useful. The only other way they could fix it is to add throwing weapons with 200+ damage, 100delay and 50 snapshot. That option is also pretty much never going to happen, ever, get over it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

Sounds like dogmatic religiosity to me.

You're also assuming "Fastest" to mean the same thing as "Correct"

Ever hear the story of the tortoise and the hare?

I have heard that story, and it is also irrelevant because the rabbit was stupid. If the rabbit would of just ran straight to the finish line and won, it would relate to this discussion.

Yes, it's dogmatic, and yes it is also correct, [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] you will also accomplish a lot more with your LS if you can kill things faster. Accomplishing more is better then accomplishing less isn't it? or did I somehow end up in bizarro world....