Monopolization of Dynamis by BSTs

[saevel]

if a BST is breaking your balls stand next to them with a mob wait till theirs are almost dead and than AoE kill them as they turn white, I guarantee they never mess with you again, but I only suggest doing this if they're being dicks first, no reason to antagonize stuff >.>

Whirl of Rage, gotta love it.

[Kluaf]

<Arnold Schwarzenegger Voice> < Stop you Whining !!!! go farm bee chips LOL

The monopolization of Dynamis zones by Beastmasters has gotten out of hand. Beastmasters have become extremely rude and carry themselves with a sense of entitlement in Dynamis zones. The gathering of all the monsters in the zone and sense that this is their right and elitism is horrible. Everywhere you go and in every zone, there are multiple BSTs claiming all the monsters and with several unclaimed, but partly damaged mobs with hate on them. When another player claims a mob, BSTs become disgruntled and give them attitude for doing so.

An example I can give is when I claimed an unclaimed monster next to a BST at what looked like full hp and only realized after claiming that it had been "red proc'd," to which the BST exchanged the following words: "F- yourself n-word." This is completely inappropriate behavior and has gone too far.

This entire process takes away from the ability of other players to enjoy the Dynamis event and to participate in the event at all when they are unable to claim monsters.

I propose that something (more than just the downgrade in TH to TH1 mentioned in the upcoming updates) be done to make Dynamis more equitable and fun for ALL players on FFXI.

Some suggestions to fix this process would be:
1) To limit the number of players who are able to enter each zone, setting a cap in each zone dependent on the size of the zone.
2) To take away treasure hunter effects from pets entirely, leaving TH to be a unique ability to the Thief and RNG job class.
3) To change the way the system works so that one person cannot hold hate on more than one monster at a time.

[Jile]

The monopolization of Dynamis zones by Beastmasters has gotten out of hand. Beastmasters have become extremely rude and carry themselves with a sense of entitlement in Dynamis zones. The gathering of all the monsters in the zone and sense that this is their right and elitism is horrible. Everywhere you go and in every zone, there are multiple BSTs claiming all the monsters and with several unclaimed, but partly damaged mobs with hate on them. When another player claims a mob, BSTs become disgruntled and give them attitude for doing so.

An example I can give is when I claimed an unclaimed monster next to a BST at what looked like full hp and only realized after claiming that it had been "red proc'd," to which the BST exchanged the following words: "F- yourself n-word." This is completely inappropriate behavior and has gone too far.

This entire process takes away from the ability of other players to enjoy the Dynamis event and to participate in the event at all when they are unable to claim monsters.

I propose that something (more than just the downgrade in TH to TH1 mentioned in the upcoming updates) be done to make Dynamis more equitable and fun for ALL players on FFXI.

Some suggestions to fix this process would be:
1) To limit the number of players who are able to enter each zone, setting a cap in each zone dependent on the size of the zone.
2) To take away treasure hunter effects from pets entirely, leaving TH to be a unique ability to the Thief and RNG job class.
3) To change the way the system works so that one person cannot hold hate on more than one monster at a time.

To the OP. First, I understand your frustration but you're honestly taking it out on too specific of a demographic.

I duo with my wife as BST/DNC, THF/DNC and focus exclusively on the 'harder' mobs due to over-camping of the weaker mobs. I don't like having to compete with the 5-6 soloers and 2-3 parties that literally hoard all of the mobs that are able to be proc'd for JA and frankly nobody else likes going in and having to compete for them either but.... like yourself I have suggestions but I'll comment on yours 1st.

1) I agree, the limits in a zone should be cut down, this could be done by making a WOE landing area of sorts for Dynamis where when you 1st enter the markings there could be 10 or so entry confluxes where you could pick one of them with the least number of people and enter it or perhaps even pay a 100k 'fee' to lock down that conflux exclusive to the people in your alliance similar to the old scheduling system.

2) This has zero effect, neither did the change from TH3->TH1 SE is making. Because proc has more bearing on drops than TH it wont stop a single BST soloer taking the TH to zero...

3) I've proposed similar and tbh I really doubt SE will make these changes. I've suggested that if a claimed mob (and agros) are taken out of a 20~yalm range from their pop location they all de-agro and return to their spawn location regardless of any status effects (diaga/etc) cast on them... Another suggestion would be that if someone pulls (any) yellow mob more than 20~yalm away from its place of spawn that the mob does a {Mijin Gakure} like effect killing the agro'er and couldn't be resisted by gear or shell/etc...

I'm all for changes to Dynamis but don't blame only the solo BST. I have more issues with parties coming and camping on top and pulling 100% of the JA proc mobs (even though I also, like others set a seacom with time/camps/etc)... Rude people are rude people.

Again, I feel your pain... but I'm tired of BST being the "claimed" blame all the time... it might have been the one day for you, but its not the 100% always go-to-blame-person in zones.

[Luvbunny]

To the OP: You mad?? Get over yourself, or better go level beastmaster. This so called monopolization is not limited to beast master job, so please get your fact straight, learn to not generalizing, and take a deep breath. The new dyna is easier for a lot of jobs now and many have taken advantage of it, it just happen beast master is one of those jobs that is favored by many - but plenty of other jobs can do it as good if not better. Stop being a crybaby and actually learn the game dynamic and come up with a better solution.

[wish12oz]

After reading most of this thread, I am honestly surprised by the amount of people who don't just take BST's yellow mobs and kill them. When I bother to do dynamis, BST's already proc'd mobs that are going yellow are the first thing I look for and kill. Yellow is fair game, and you can't get in any trouble for it at all what so ever, unless you say something rude to the BST.

I find this solution has 2 positive impacts when done properly. 1. It makes the BSTs not try and horde mobs, because they know you'll just kill them. and 2. It gets you more currency because you have a half dead mob that's already procc'd, instead of a full HP mob that isn't.

[Gingerhurricane]

After reading most of this thread, I am honestly surprised by the amount of people who don't just take BST's yellow mobs and kill them. When I bother to do dynamis, BST's already proc'd mobs that are going yellow are the first thing I look for and kill. Yellow is fair game, and you can't get in any trouble for it at all what so ever, unless you say something rude to the BST.

I find this solution has 2 positive impacts when done properly. 1. It makes the BSTs not try and horde mobs, because they know you'll just kill them. and 2. It gets you more currency because you have a half dead mob that's already procc'd, instead of a full HP mob that isn't.

I don't pull multiple mobs, i might once in a while get a "link" tho, especially in tightly packed zones like qufim where u can get 5 diremites in one pull, go ahead and take em if there isn't any other mobs, but don't break my balls and do it for spite, it's grieving whether or not its recognized by SE. It's the people like the OP that make me wanna say screw it and quit because everyone's sense of entitlement is mind blowing to me.

And to respond to the person who said SE is gonna nerf pets, pets are not as strong as you possibly think they are, pets pre 75 were garbage from a jug. Now that you cannot charm anything worthwhile, now you wanna nerf all pets to the strength of pre-75 which is miss, miss, miss, hit, miss miss miss miss, hit hit, miss, hit, hit, miss miss miss, and all for garbage numbers to boot. Suck it. Being a career bst and not some schlub that level'd the job in the abyssea era, you can really take your jobs and shove it too for all i care.

Yeah let's make BST a job with charm and lower attributes than a war. I'm all aboard by all means....

[Gingerhurricane]

People do dynamis for currency. I've said this a million times btw. People do campaign for...oh they don't. Trade allied notes for currency. Not dealing with singles here, just 100's. Figure a 100 for 25k worth of notes sounds about right? Can get 100 singles in a hour of dynamis. Can get 25-30k of allied notes in a hour to hour and half. Fix it

[SpankWustler]

I don't understand why there are ten billion Derpadelic Dynamis Discussions when it boils down to:

Yellow is fair game

Take two monsters if you want. Take two billion monsters if you want. Take a monster off of somebody with two billion monsters if you want. Take a monster off of somebody with two monsters if you want. Everyone is free to try; no one is entitled to success.

[macross]

Exactly, if it's yellow, and there's nothing up, then kill the dam thing. You don't even need to have claim, its who gets kill shot on yellow mob that gets the drops.

I've seen ochain plds mass claim sheep and try to aoe them. Heck i just go and kill them all off him.

The problem with holding mobs is you kill them slowly, so they don't repop fast enough.

[Granny]

this thread is stupid. shouldnt the whole topic be about SE needing to make zones instanced... lol even bst's fight over mobs, and from what I've seen bst's hardly ever hold more than 2 mobs unless there is a link, or there is too much competition and not enough mobs to go around before repops. In which case it is your guys fault for going in that dynamis zone when there are that many people, or picking that mob family to fight when there are that many on it.