Monopolization of Dynamis by BSTs

[SpankWustler]

They need to un-nerf AoE WS procs. Dynamis was very well balanced before.

Change I can believe in!

[Zarchery]

Daniel Hatcher said it best. Blue Mages and Warriors were already scooping up wads of mobs in Abyssea before the Dynamis revamp and still do. I had to do a lot of BLM soloing in Abyssea when I was working on magian staff trials. One of the most infuriating parts of this was when I was trying to kill mandragora (can't remember which trial it was) and the area was constantly being emptied by people Fell Cleaving.

Still, a Beastmaster CAN'T monopolize all the mobs because the game will allow only one mob to be claimed per player at a time. If you're in Dynamis and you see a particularly rude BST scoop up all of a family of mobs, take one that looks like it's at high health. If it's yellow, it's fair game. If you get attitude for it, shrug it off. Tell him that he has to share and that yellow = fair game.

Another possibility, and I don't know how often this happens although it has happened to me, is that the BST did not intentionally pull all the mobs to monopolize. Rather, that family of mobs happens to link, and the fighting of that group was not by choice. It's happened to me a few times while I was on BST and farming for a Melee Cape.

Point is that the programming is already set up to deal with this as is and doesn't really need further adjustment. If it were set up so that, say, a BST could Sheep Song and keep 10 mobs red for as long as he likes, that would be a different story.

[Sparthos]

All I hear from the OP is bawww BST is taking my mobs.

If a BST has many mobs guess what? You can yoink some because they're yellow.

[Alhanelem]

Not seeing this whole "BST ruining dynamis" thing, sorry. I don't even see BSTs in there that often.

As others have said, One person is only allowed to maintain a claim on one monster. If they have more and you feel they are being disruptive, then you have the power to take the unclaimed monsters that have hate on him.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Give BST skills! Make it along the line of PUP or SMN. Atm bst seems like the only job you can shoot to 99 that requires 0 skill to play, it just takes gil and sometimes if you care pet gear. See a lot of people lvling 4 or 5 mules all on bst, its getting out of hand.

People that like and care for this job shouldn't have a prob skilling it up to make it shine, i say get rid of the easy button SE.

Then they'd also have to even it out with all the restrictions on BST as well.

Here's looking at you Zoning pets, loosing pets on most pop NM's, high cost on jugs etc....

Square are currently nerfing and generally lowering the strength of players, I doubt they will leave beast as strong as it is right now for very long. Bst used to be a very weak job and I can't see them leaving called pets this strong for much longer.

They're not strong.

Attack anything above Decent Prey and not in Abyssea and you'll see. Stop using 75 content as judgment on how strong a job is.

[RalphTheGalka]

Nerfing BST because they can solo level 77 mobs makes no sense and would destroy the job. Making the mobs harder will just give rise to a new FOTM job in Dynamis and reduce currency supply.

Dump the proc system. The zones should be able to easily handle at least 3 times as many players as they do now but most people just rotate through the JA proc camps.

[bruinbear]

To those who actually read posts without reading into them more than is said, thank you. To those who see it as whining and calling all players on one job racists, you are reading something in my post that was never in there.

This one example is NOT to call ALL BSTs racists or just bitch about one bad experience, but to offer suggestions to SE on how Dynamis can be improved for all players. I do Dynamis every day and run into this problem more often than not, although this one particular person's comments were far more off handle than many others.

Just because you don't agree with someone's suggestions does not mean that they are just whining and putting down anyone. Based on daily experiences across the different zones, this has been my experience. This is not due to one isolated incident and only posted after daily experiences that prompted me to suggest how things can be improved.

To say that the solution is to pull their mobs off them is incorrect, as this particular player did act out just by hitting an unclaimed, full health mob next to him that appeared as a link. Basically you are suggesting the solution is to be an asshole and be disrespectful to other players. Others get upset if you even pull a mob in the area they are in and tell you to move out of that area and make emotes at you for it. There needs to be a change so that everyone is able to enjoy the event as it was intended because it's just not enjoyable to have to compete like you are camping an HNM for one easy prey monster in Dynamis and then get attitude for the one that you happen to claim. If this isn't a problem across servers, then consider yourself lucky. Your posts about FC and HNMs are irrelevant to the whole intent of this post which is suggestions for how to improve Dynamis.

While you may see it for more than it is, the things you are reading into this post are completely inaccurate and exaggerated.

[MojoJojo]

I've been doing dynamis fairly often since the update, slowly working on a katana. I've had to deal with bst's alot. They aren't a huge deal. IF some bst is trying to hold the entire camp, it's not too hard to go after one of his yellow mobs. It may not be the nicest thing, but neither is holding an entire camp. Yellow is fair game. If it was "lets be nice" time, the bst wouldn't be holding all the mobs.

I usually go with another dual boxing friend, and if there's a bst around, we rarely even notice him. I'm sure the bst is pissed we're killing all the mobs. If there's too much competition at the particular camp though, there are always other options.

On the TH front, when i first started doing dynamis, i was going nin+whm, and even with red proc, i found the drops weren't as good as when my thf buddy came along. Perhaps with bst's th nerf it might affect the competition a wee bit.

[Psxpert2011]

The monopolization of Dynamis zones by Beastmasters has gotten out of hand. Beastmasters have become extremely rude and carry themselves with a sense of entitlement in Dynamis zones. ...

Some suggestions to fix this process would be:
1) To limit the number of players who are able to enter each zone, setting a cap in each zone dependent on the size of the zone.
2) To take away treasure hunter effects from pets entirely, leaving TH to be a unique ability to the Thief and RNG job class.
3) To change the way the system works so that one person cannot hold hate on more than one monster at a time.

Yeah, as if! >.>

More power to the BST because ever since the golden ages of FFxi, bst been attacked for unethical behavior whether you were a good or bad player. Give the Beastmaster a break man! My argument stands like this, anyone can complain how others are dominating the scene but would you bitch about a Puppetmaster, a summoner, or say a team of Drks doing the same exact thing you stated above? Think about it before spewing allegations of crude, rude and racist behavior and insults.

I DO BELIEVE this is everyones game and they have every right to be there too. Sometimes you just need to be patient and try again later or go to another zone or server.

If this kind of bad behavior become repetitive and consistently ruins your enjoyment of progression in the game, make the GM call. DOn't post non-resolved issues before taking the proper steps!

I'll stand with BST to the bitter end, so BTFU bst-haters! "BST-POWER!" ;D

[Gallus]

And here in lies one of the many, many complaint threads that are totally misguided. Rather than complain about another player's job of choice, ranting and raving for nerfs, you should be complaining about repop timers. If the commonly camped mobs in timed zones were on a 0~15 second repop time, there would be no reason to bitch about the jobs others choose to utilize.