Walk of Echoes

[Eri]

Or you heal a tank.... you know that dude wearing an ochain. Besides noone does 15 anymore you can do 11+13 in the same time. Y i wouldn't go SMN in WoE is obvious isnt it?... I dont plan on mpking ppl and being useless. Unless Avatar Melee is buffed, don't do that. Its pointless.

[Karbuncle]

I can't say SMN would MPK people any more or less than another job, It all depends on how bad the player is, not the job.

Plus, SMN is plenty useful in Walk of Echoes, It acts like campaign, Buffs are AoE. SMN Can Hastega every DD in range, Blink/Phalanx/Stoneskin (SCH Can too - But not Hastega), Earthern Armor, Ifrits beef Enfire. Theres a lot a SMN Can do, as well as Safely DD.

Not saying other jobs can't, Just saying you don't always have a D*mn tank to heal.

P.S: People don't do Walk of Echoes 15 for funsies, they go for Gil drops like this:

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Nomkahpa_Mittens
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10990/engulfer-cape
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10958/nefarious-collar

These items maintain a decent price, Unlike most WoE Items which plummet, because these are from a flux a bit harder and a little less done.

Of course, One of the biggest money makers still comes from a lesser Walk, the PDT Head, But Nomkahpa Mitts are pretty wild.

[Eri]

Depends on the Server maybe. Didnt see #15 runs in Ages. Btw why would you mention Smn can Aoe buff? 85% of the Smns do not.

[Karbuncle]

Depends on the Server maybe. Didnt see #15 runs in Ages. Btw why would you mention Smn can Aoe buff? 85% of the Smns do not.

Ignorance is not a proper defense for usefulness. I can't defend stupid Summoners, but that does not rob its uses for those smart enough to use them

[Alpheus]

Or you heal a tank.... you know that dude wearing an ochain.

i covered that option when i said:

anything that requires a normal HP maintenance from a healer since MP isn't exactly infinite and healers will most likely pull hate at some point.

and Ochain isnt gonna do anything for the PLD when Mingyi is casting his AoE spells or does Royal Decree or Banneret charge unless its a pimped out PLD macro'ing between ochain and aegis but then there goes their TP for WS hate or Chivalry mp recovery (which they'll need to generate hate with cure cheat macros if they cant generate hate from lack of WS due to shield changing). I could see a PLD's Fealty helping out with Enthrall though personally I've never seen a PLD's Fealty actually go up against a Cat's Enthrall.

Also please dont take what I say in the wrong way all I'm trying to point out is that SMN isn't as bad as you're making out to be when it comes to choosing what job to bring to WoE

[Eri]

Im ia SMN and i know it isnt bad. But im pointing out that there ton of carp SMN doing WoE and that is an issue for anyone doing the event. Meeles die because of Tp Feed - no buffs and no cures (Not the Summoner problem since they arnt healers...... i hated healing on Smn but if you can do it than do it.)

It may sounded like i hate Smn. But i hate these Abys - Korroloka Ppl.

Btw a Pld can Live VS any Boss as long as he gets Support.

[saevel]

I can't say SMN would MPK people any more or less than another job, It all depends on how bad the player is, not the job.

Plus, SMN is plenty useful in Walk of Echoes, It acts like campaign, Buffs are AoE. SMN Can Hastega every DD in range, Blink/Phalanx/Stoneskin (SCH Can too - But not Hastega), Earthern Armor, Ifrits beef Enfire. Theres a lot a SMN Can do, as well as Safely DD.

Not saying other jobs can't, Just saying you don't always have a D*mn tank to heal.

P.S: People don't do Walk of Echoes 15 for funsies, they go for Gil drops like this:

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Nomkahpa_Mittens
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10990/engulfer-cape
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10958/nefarious-collar

These items maintain a decent price, Unlike most WoE Items which plummet, because these are from a flux a bit harder and a little less done.

Of course, One of the biggest money makers still comes from a lesser Walk, the PDT Head, But Nomkahpa Mitts are pretty wild.

SMN's definitely MPK people, just not for the TP feeding reason. Awhile back my linkshell would do some WoE just for a "fun event". We'd go in with 18~24 fully geared people and crush a zone, was amazing fun.

Until the SMN's showed up. They would run in and immediately sneak past us and aggro the boss back to the starting area. This would result in EVERY mob in the zone linking and running around eventually aggroing us and wiping our alliance. We kept raising just to be killed off again due to the SMN's pissing off the mega boss before we had cleared the ash and trash out of the way. Eventually they killed it and our members got a crap score with little loot. Since then we've abandoned WoE.

The hate system makes any pet job a threat to every other member in that zone.

[Mahoro]

That same thing just happened to us last week. Our LS showed up to WoE with about 32 people, and for a little while there were only 5-6 other people in the zone. About 30 minutes pass and the entirety of Lakshmi's JP SMN population descended upon WoE and followed us from Conflux to Conflux. On the Harpy flux, they would find each of the bosses and drag them back to us even though we were intentionally trying to kill fodder mobs for score first. These were the SMN's who seemed to have no frikkin' clue how to play their job other than to Assault --> BP: Rage. I was on SMN myself and it's amazing to me why more SMN's don't take advantage of the AOE buffs. Giving Haste, MDB, or Enfire (and Perfect Defense for Mingyi etc.) to 30+ people at once is fantastic. SMN is amazing in WoE.

Anyway, soon there were 70 people in the zone. In order to ensure our LS members got into a Flux and didn't get locked out, I would announce in LS chat a fake Flux for us to gather round (and mistell it into /say chat so the leechers would enter), and then called a time to run to the real flux in LS chat.

The final indignation is that we chose to do a Flux not many people on Lakshmi do (Mandies), got some Chersos Helms for LS bank, and then one of the JP SMN's had the nerve to undercut the Helm by almost 50% in the days following.

[Camiie]

Im ia SMN and i know it isnt bad. But im pointing out that there ton of carp SMN doing WoE and that is an issue for anyone doing the event.

So, SMNs are the villains of WoE just as BSTs are the villains of Dynamis?

[saevel]

So, SMNs are the villains of WoE just as BSTs are the villains of Dynamis?

Not so much villains just lots of noobs use the job to try to get stuff and end up screwing the event for everyone else.

A SMN in an alliance working with people is an amazing asset in there, 10+ SMN's independently running around noobing it up destroys the event for everyone else.