Question regarding salvage bans

[Karbuncle]

More then 1/2 the people I know would quit FFXI if windower was shutdown.

Windower, Not from personal experience, Can be quite nice. But becoming so reliant on its conveniences that one would quit if it was no longer there sounds like an Addict having withdraws.

I think you should have interventions with your friend ...

[Urteil]

oh please that's not cheating....

you wanna see cheating go to any and every abyssea zone and look for ninja's in a party with only 1 whm... Duo boxing is cheating but everyone's fine with windower ability's... but the second someone finds and expliot in the game and uses the exploit to get around a horrible drop system SE created and SE doesnt monitor the zones its suddenly cheating....

I mean come on....

seriously...

Are you clinically retarded?

[Prothscar]

Are you comparing duplicating drops en masse by exploiting broken game mechanics to dual boxing? Really?

[Zikon]

Are you comparing duplicating drops en masse by exploiting broken game mechanics to dual boxing? Really?

Yeah I am........

Lets break it down

Salvage bans were created because it was an unfair advantage over regular players...

Windower abilitys give you an unfair advantage over regular players....

I'm not hating on either i'm just giving you an example of why salvage bans were unfair. They could have handed out suspensions to good well mannered adventurers that steered down the wrong path and taken the gear away. The players that had several strikes against their account already could have been banned (normal process for people with too many strikes) The entire thing was handled wrong..

My point is SE should revisit salvage bans and let some people back into the game after 2 years.

My other point is SE should revisit salvage bans and lift the curse off them (If the people who were banned by salvage are playing they shouldn't be punished again if they are good well mannered players)

[Karbuncle]

Yeah I am........

Lets break it down

Salvage bans were created because it was an unfair advantage over regular players...

Windower abilitys give you an unfair advantage over regular players....

I'm not hating on either i'm just giving you an example of why salvage bans were unfair. They could have handed out suspensions to good well mannered adventurers that steered down the wrong path and taken the gear away. The players that had several strikes against their account already could have been banned (normal process for people with too many strikes) The entire thing was handled wrong..

My point is SE should revisit salvage bans and let some people back into the game after 2 years.

My other point is SE should revisit salvage bans and lift the curse off them (If the people who were banned by salvage are playing they shouldn't be punished again if they are good well mannered players)

No. The Salvage ban weren't "Created because it was an unfair advantage over regular players", you can attempt to skew and distort the actual reason to the most basic generic vague description possible, which you have, it won't change the fact that there's a distinct difference between exploiting an obvious glitch to duplicate drops, and using a second character to help you, Of which you can actually easily do without Windower... Its call an Xbox, a Laptop, a Ps2/PS3... so forth.

Do I think they should have just mass banned/Suspended nearly everyone without any warning? No, not at all!

But everyone caught knew what they were doing, Not expecting any sort of repercussions is nothing short of delusional.

This is an old played out debate, Only people defending it are those who were caught in the ban or know someone who was. It was an obvious an exploit as i've ever seen, and people ignoring it are as delusional as the proverbial "Ignoring the Elephant in the room" types.

Edit: Maybe they should revisit it, But I'm willing to bet those who were banned by it have moved on or created new characters... Or perhaps, You were one of those banned?

[Zikon]

No. The Salvage ban weren't "Created because it was an unfair advantage over regular players", you can attempt to skew and distort the actual reason to the most basic generic vague description possible, which you have, it won't change the fact that there's a distinct difference between exploiting an obvious glitch to duplicate drops, and using a second character to help you, Of which you can actually easily do without Windower... Its call an Xbox, a Laptop, a Ps2/PS3... so forth.

Do I think they should have just mass banned/Suspended nearly everyone without any warning? No, not at all!

But everyone caught knew what they were doing, Not expecting any sort of repercussions is nothing short of delusional.

This is an old played out debate, Only people defending it are those who were caught in the ban or know someone who was. It was an obvious an exploit as i've ever seen, and people ignoring it are as delusional as the proverbial "Ignoring the Elephant in the room" types.

Exactly my point.... It can be debated over and over again.... The point is that was 2 years ago.

Ok then let me revise this USING any windower ability not just duo boxing gives you an unfair advantage over other players. so thats cheating plain and simple.

[Prothscar]

You're implying that you require Windower to Dual Box. Salvage bans were the result of morons exploiting a broken game mechanic to duplicate drops, Dual Boxing is controlling two characters at once, which is not against the ToS.

[Zikon]

You're implying that you require Windower to Dual Box. Salvage bans were the result of morons exploiting a broken game mechanic to duplicate drops, Dual Boxing is controlling two characters at once, which is not against the ToS.

Don't act like you even for a second don't know what I'm talking about.

[Prothscar]

Don't act like you even for a second don't know what I'm talking about.

Unless you have unquestionable proof to the contrary, not every Dual Boxer is using Windower. Your argument is flawed and invalid.

[Zikon]

Unless you have unquestionable proof to the contrary, not every Dual Boxer is using Windower. Your argument is flawed and invalid.

Please.... Try again