TP set since A.P.+2?

[Babekeke]

24% Haste is actually 1.4 Away from Cap or so. Give or take a 0.1. So its 8STR, 12 Acc, and 16 Attack, 3% Triple Attack, and 2% Triple Attack Damage vs 1% Haste. - Honestly, The STR, Acc, and Atk win this time. (At low Haste Values, If you're getting haste or March, Capped Haste sets win).

You added both stats from hands and feet there, and assumed haste is the only stat I have in those slost lol.

I'm saying I'll wear relic +2 feet anyway, so the triple attack stats are the same. And Raider's +2 vs Brego that I'm currently wearing is 3STR 3acc 16att vs 2.4% haste (I had this figure right, what I had wrong was your gear set is 23% not 24%) and 5 AGI (for eva/parrying/subtle blow?). And I'm not convinced that that's enough. (oh there's a 1% chance of set proc too with raider's +2 hands).

[Zirael]

You added both stats from hands and feet there, and assumed haste is the only stat I have in those slost lol.

I'm saying I'll wear relic +2 feet anyway, so the triple attack stats are the same. And Raider's +2 vs Brego that I'm currently wearing is 3STR 3acc 16att vs 2.4% haste (I had this figure right, what I had wrong was your gear set is 23% not 24%) and 5 AGI (for eva/parrying/subtle blow?). And I'm not convinced that that's enough. (oh there's a 1% chance of set proc too with raider's +2 hands).

You know your options, at least, how you proceed, it boils down to personal preference.
I think quite a few people use these excel spreadsheets to compare gear/buffs from more 'mathy' point of view:
http://tinyurl/montenten
Or use your gut feeling. Everything's situational anyway.

[Babekeke]

Heh I was trying to work out Monty's spreadsheet this morning but couldn't work it out before I had to go to work. Finally worked out where the stats I was interested in are displayed, and I was shocked to see that you are completely right. In fact, even in abyssea, Raider's +2 hands beats capping haste in hand slot.

I concede.

[Motenten]

At least til you start capping attack. And of course a sam using Ageha makes a rather dramatic change in that regard.

My most recent mob stat estimate was done on Pil. Not terribly well controlled, but overall it looks like level 110, 560 defense.

On its own, that means you'd need 1120 attack to cap. However with Ageha and Dia II active its defense drops to 336, and you cap at 672 att. Should be pushing decently past that if you're eating Red Curry Buns, never mind boosts from Berserk or Stalwart's Drinks (with those buffs you can go with Yellow Curry Buns for food, but if the buffs are down you won't be capping attack). At that point Brego starts to pull ahead.

[Babekeke]

Daft thing is... noone ever invites a THF to VW lol. I've only ever been WHM BLM SMN or MNK to VW. WoE is pretty much SMN onry too. My THF mainly comes out for dynamis and Abyssea, which are basically trash mobs anyway.

[Laphine]

funny i was using lv110 and 560 when i played around with toci+oce combo a bit ago. I never tested emp hands, and doing it now, they did win by quite a bit. But i was using a 120 vit 120 agi mob, and the dex from the hands put me at 173 dex. With lower agi, emp hands only wins by decimals. Thats from breaking the negative dstr i imagine.

Oh this makes me remember something i wanted to ask you Kinematics. Are the rules for negative fstr not completely understood? I noticed you simply make it -1 for w/e value of str under the targets vit. That was to simplify things? But considering we probably have negative dstr on anything hard, we are not getting the correct gains out of the different pieces of equip all times.

[Babekeke]

Finally got Epona's^^

[Motenten]

Oh this makes me remember something i wanted to ask you Kinematics. Are the rules for negative fstr not completely understood? I noticed you simply make it -1 for w/e value of str under the targets vit. That was to simplify things? But considering we probably have negative dstr on anything hard, we are not getting the correct gains out of the different pieces of equip all times.

It's just a bit of laziness on my part, but also not something that seemed to need much consideration. It was several months before I even found the first bugs dealing with fStr going negative at all.

However the basic math is understood. Minimum fStr is the negative of the weapon rank. EG: d45 weapon is rank 5, so lowest fStr is -5. I should probably get around to actually calculating that.

[Laphine]

Cool. I was actually thinking that maybe that fstr approximation table wasn't completely proven. That's probably because i always thought of approximation implying some lack of knowledge lol.

[Starry]

Sorta Derail:

Coming back after 2 years; and have no idea about the 'order' I should be trying to regear. Most of my stuff is pretty outdated(all 75 gear) and theres a lot to take in. I see a lot of people fulltiming full Raiders gear; is this 'good' now? I was always 'that thief' that had a sa/ta/ws(for each)/tp/eva/racc set and looking to regear them all; anyone have any links to a decent 'gear guide'?