The nerf scattergun approach?

[Daniel]

I know I was kinda upset about the relic nerf, this probably didn't affect too many people but when I herd that you got full buffs from offhanding relic weapon, IE attack + procs ext I said hawt damn I'm gonna make a relic. Shortly after I started "Oh sorry this was a mistake, we didn't mean for relic weapons to be useful, put that relic back into storage please." I don't know about the rest of you but that felt like a huge blow to me.

[Zarchery]

These posts are all the same. "They should turn off the servers and shut the game down permanently. Since I'm not having fun, it's inconceivable that anyone else is. Everyone agrees with me, obviously."

They're especially humorous because they've been happening for years, the disgruntled minority endlessly whining "FFXI is in its death throes", yet it continues on and on.

[Ravenmore]

Yeah Keep on defending a team that failed so hard on FF14 which had everything that failed in FF11 see how well that work. Oh wait who did they call on to try to save that train wreck the same team that gave FF11 a shot of new life and showed us it could be a more rewarding game.

[Zarchery]

Yeah Keep on defending a team that failed so hard on FF14 which had everything that failed in FF11 see how well that work. Oh wait who did they call on to try to save that train wreck the same team that gave FF11 a shot of new life and showed us it could be a more rewarding game.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm pointing out that people have been complaining about the game since 2004, complaining about nerfs, complaining about content, complaining about the developers not listening to them, stating that the game was dying. This has been going on for YEARS, but the people who make these posts relentlessly think that they are brilliant thinkers making bold new statements. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but check your damn ego at the door. Your opinion is not that fresh or new or unique.

But the fact is that I'm still having fun. Thousands of people are still having fun. They have a different view.

[Zarchery]

The fact that a post like this pops up, and the first page is all people agreeing with it, instead of laughing at it, should really tell you something SE.

Actually, it tells you something very elementary about human psychology. Misery loves company. When people are unhappy about something, they like to commiserate about it. All it really tells you is that multiple people are unhappy with something, which is completely normal and expected. Back when Abyssea was in its heyday (the glory days you guys seem to latch on to) anti-Abyssea posts were made and drew similar cries of "yeah I agree!"

But yeah, go ahead and hang on to the delusion that it's all about you and that YOU are representative of the entirety of the playerbase.

[Runespider]

However, if you say it was good for the game or it increased the subscriptions or some garbage like that I'd like to hear an explanation or to see your sources because it goes completely against what I've experienced.

I can only speak for myself here but just before Abyssea hit I was almost completely burned out with the game, I'd pretty much done everything there was to do and suffered for the doing of it (4+ years of 3 hour dyna runs twice a week bored out of my skull, 3 years of doing kings and being utterly dominated by botters with Square looking on unwilling to combat it, years working on a relic only to finally obtain it and due to balance fears it being so underwhelming it making me laugh in desbelief at spending so much time and effort on it), just hanging around because of time invested and some close friends.

Abyssea came and literally blew me away, not only was there so much new content, not only did I no longer have to find a LS and could do it with friends but it was a total change to the old punishing game we were all so used to. It completely turned the entire game on it's head and it was pretty exciting, once the shock wore off. I've done all the old content (aside from AV/PW) with the shells that I had, I've done all there is to do in Abyssea and in my opinion Abyssea was the best this game has ever been.

Now we are sliding slowly but surely back to old FFXI and honestly I really don't want to go there, it was a horribly punishing, boring and an unrewarding place...the majority of my play time was standing around WG before Aby. The constant stream of nerfs just build on the already bad feeling I have with how the game is going.

So we are just stuck on a game we love and can't turn away from that is slowly being turned into a chamber of horrors of punishing gameplay features again, we can't simply move on because of time invested and a genuine love of it so all we can do is complain and hope they listen...with the honest realisation that in reality, they wont.

If there is a new expansion coming, now is the time to tell us because I don't see anything to look forward to at all, nothing. I'm sure i'm not the only one.

Maybe it's an attempt to make XIVv2 more appealing with XI being a factor to XIVv1 failing but if that really is what is happening I think it will have the total opposite effect, trusting a company to not do the same thing with the new game they are doing with the other? Crapping up a game people love will just cause resentment and in a game that players are expected to put 4-5+ years into trust is a big factor.

[Ravenmore]

Fact is the game is now dieing. They are spending less and less on the up keep of this game and have gone back on everything they have said in the past as to why we can't have things(ps2 crap). They have now learn a harsh lesson with FF14 that fandom will only carry you so far. What got most people playing this game was the name Final Fantasy it didn't work a sec time. Look at shouts for VWNM they are dieing off, groups are starting to move away from it and we are going right back to the stagnation of 2009. You had to have seen hoow many players only came back the new missions and storyy quest onlly to leave again. Their is nothing major in the foreseeable future at least not till FF14 tanks thats when we miight see fresh content.

[Draylo]

Nothing in the future? Have you not seen the plans for this year? Please shut up.

[Ravenmore]

Nothing in the future? Have you not seen the plans for this year? Please shut up.

What some rehash events that offer nothing but more gear grinds. Nothing new just systems that have been reskined so yes nothing of meaning.

[Sparthos]

Actually, it tells you something very elementary about human psychology. Misery loves company. When people are unhappy about something, they like to commiserate about it. All it really tells you is that multiple people are unhappy with something, which is completely normal and expected. Back when Abyssea was in its heyday (the glory days you guys seem to latch on to) anti-Abyssea posts were made and drew similar cries of "yeah I agree!"

But yeah, go ahead and hang on to the delusion that it's all about you and that YOU are representative of the entirety of the playerbase.

The market has been pretty decisive on SEs ventures in the gaming community but go on and claim that it's just a minority claiming the company is going in the wrong direction. Whatever lulls you to sleep.

It's not just FFXI. The most vocal people are often the long time fans that see the iceberg dead ahead and are trying to tell the captains to change course but they're too busy chanting balance, balance, balance.