The nerf scattergun approach?

[Eri]

Careful with that talk, any opinion not equal to the OF crowd = white knight.

Rather White Knight then delusional. I see it that way... FFXI always was hard and there where always ppl that didnt like that. Abyssea was heaven for this kind of Players i can accept that.
I can see that there has to be content that can be done effective casualy.

However. A lot of older players quit over this content. Now these players that liked abyssea go into conent wich is obviously not made for players which are into that easy pace concept.

Now its crying and whineing about not being Gods. But in order to keep this Game interesting for both kinds of Players...
SE seems to be trying to get the Players back that quit. In order to do that.... they adjust things that are more soloplay then anything else.

[Karbuncle]

Rather White Knight then delusional. I see it that way... FFXI always was hard and there where always ppl that didnt like that. Abyssea was heaven for this kind of Players i can accept that.
I can see that there has to be content that can be done effective casualy.

However. A lot of older players quit over this content. Now these players that liked abyssea go into conent which is obviously not made for players which are into that easy pace concept.

Now its crying and whineing about not being Gods. But in order to keep this Game interesting for both kinds of Players...
SE seems to be trying to get the Players back that quit. In order to do that.... they adjust things that are more soloplay then anything else.

FFXI Was never hard. I mean that in Difficulty of enemies...

It was tedious, Theres a difference. The difficulty was artificially created by low drop rates, and limited spawn timers (24hr HNMs, etc).

The game was as easy then as it is now. Nothing at 75 was difficult outside of AV, and PW, and I'd go as far to say Botulus Rex is about as difficult as PW was in some ways. (Outside of you know, 2 days and vomiting)

[Eri]

FFXI Was never hard. Your Nostalgia goggles are blinding you.

Hard for solo and some ppl. But It was never hard in a group of good Players. I give you that.

It was tedious, Theres a differenc. The difficulty was artificially created by low drop rates, and limited spawn timers (24hr HNMs, etc).

Tedious yes. But getting something you wished for a long time is... rewarding.
(24HNM- ToAUhnm) Been there not doing that again. That was so time consumeing....

The game was as easy then as it is now. Nothing at 75 was difficult outside of AV, and PW, and I'd go as far to say Botulus Rex is about as difficult as PW was in some ways. (Outside of you know, 2 days and vomiting)

No, its way more easy now. Where its was mildly challengeing to Solo IT mobs back then. Its a joke now.
The real challenge now is to keep hate on your tank. Thats SAD!

[Mirabelle]

Its sad that noone seems to see that Abyssea broke balance and that what ppl call nerfs are fixes that have to be done sooner or later.
The Game is way to easy now. Period.
Its not fun - because its easy. I dont want things handed to me. I wanna work for it.

And while yes sometimes its nice to get something..... do you feel any acomplishment in anything anymore?

Abyssea was OK. As casual Content. But at the same time ppl got used to the easy pace. 9 of 10 Players outright suck and Leech. Ppl you woulda kicked from Pt before for beeing useless.

Idc what you ppl think honesly. Things have to change. Rather sooner then later.

You do know this game is over 8 years old now? You do realize that many players have grown up, married, moved out of their parents basement, got jobs, kids etc. There is nothing wrong with easing up on the difficulty as the player base matures. It was a godsend for those of us with a RL. We could feel like everything was no longer a roadblock but a progressing quest.

Like any game, you can make it as easy or as hard as you need and there is no reason to lock lesser players out of content by making things so discouragingly hard. If you think Abyssea is easy... don't put on any atmas or cruor buffs. Hard enough for you?

I feel every bit a sense of accomplishment when I finished my Empy weapon, my Af3+2. The fact that it didn't take 3 years of collecting points with an endgame LS didn't lessen the satisfaction. Trio'ing some of the level 90 NM's is still a challenge if you are not on your toes.

Anyways, you are entitled to your opinion. I think you are wrong and suspect most of the FFXI population felt Abyssea was fun and successful.

[Disifer]

You do know this game is over 8 years old now? You do realize that many players have grown up, married, moved out of their parents basement, got jobs, kids etc. There is nothing wrong with easing up on the difficulty as the player base matures. It was a godsend for those of us with a RL. We could feel like everything was no longer a roadblock but a progressing quest.

Like any game, you can make it as easy or as hard as you need and there is no reason to lock lesser players out of content by making things so discouragingly hard. If you think Abyssea is easy... don't put on any atmas or cruor buffs. Hard enough for you?

I feel every bit a sense of accomplishment when I finished my Empy weapon, my Af3+2. The fact that it didn't take 3 years of collecting points with an endgame LS didn't lessen the satisfaction. Trio'ing some of the level 90 NM's is still a challenge if you are not on your toes.

Anyways, you are entitled to your opinion. I think you are wrong and suspect most of the FFXI population felt Abyssea was fun and successful.

Abyssea was broken due to the fact of how they introduced the proc system and didn't think far enough in advance that a war, nin, and a whm could do ANYTHING in those zones with positive results while the rest of the player base had to level or gear those jobs to stay somewhat relevant. The VW proc system would have been better in abyssea, at least you'd need more then 2-3 jobs to get something done.

[Ravenmore]

And the Whiteknights said SE would get 14 turned around, well looked how that went they are scraping the game and building a new one withe the scraps of the old. Thats not turning arond a game thats amitting they have no clue how to do things with out a couple dry runs.

I for one will never buy another game from SE new they will not get any cash from me I can find the few and fare between gems on the resell market. If more people do this and the comapny goes under have to merge for a 4th time so be it thats how the world works, you don't put out a product people like you go under. This not just what they have done with their MMOs but also the offline games as well.

Before one of the Whiteknights comes and say how they must be doing well if they were doing well they wouldn't be merging they would be buying other Companies.

[Ravenmore]

No the customer is always right cause if you piss them off the have the option taking thier money other places. SE doesn't just compete with other MMOS they going up against movies, TV, music(concerts, iTunes etc), other hobbies everything that people pay for. While customer Ideas of getting to the point were the product is worth it may differ they would also be happy improvements were even attempted.

[zagam]

No the customer is always right cause if you piss them off the have the option taking thier money other places. SE doesn't just compete with other MMOS they going up against movies, TV, music(concerts, iTunes etc), other hobbies everything that people pay for. While customer Ideas of getting to the point were the product is worth it they would also be happy improvements were even attempted.

You have never worked in any customer service industry have you? I have and told customers to leave after repeated complaints. It was obvious that no matter how many times or how many ways my chef couldn't cook the steak how she wanted. It came to the point where loosing more money on wasted product trying to keep her happy was more then what we would get in return. Ive also had people complain about the music choices, the music was part of our atmosphere and wont change. Just because customers might not like it doesn't mean the company is going to change it to appease the complainer. If you have ever seen the movie waiting you would understand why the customers are not always right. If you have a concern by all means complain. But like that girl with the steak in waiting its they way you come across that will get you results.

[Ravenmore]

You have never worked in any customer service industry have you? I have and told customers to leave after repeated complaints. It was obvious that no matter how many times or how many ways my chef couldn't cook the steak how she wanted. It came to the point where loosing more money on wasted product trying to keep her happy was more then what we would get in return. Ive also had people complain about the music choices, the music was part of our atmosphere and wont change. Just because customers might not like it doesn't mean the company is going to change it to appease the complainer. If you have ever seen the movie waiting you would understand why the customers are not always right. If you have a concern by all means complain. But like that girl with the steak in waiting its they way you come across that will get you results.

Yep I have 15 years and 10 in 5 star Dinning. At my old place of employment we had up to 2k dollars to make a guest happy and could not say "No" to any guest could only offer other options. Every outlet had a comapny credit card that was used in cases that we couldn't fill the customer needs in house. If fact if you said no you would get writen up. Because that one pissed off customer would tell 10 or more. No matter how much money you loss you never stop trying.

[zagam]

Yep I have 15 years and 10 in 5 star Dinning. At my old place of employment we had up to 2k dollars to make a guest happy and could not say "No" to any guest could only offer other options. Every outlet had a comapny credit card that was used in cases that we couldn't fill the customer needs in house. If fact if you said no you would get writen up. Because that one pissed off customer would tell 10 or more. No matter how much money you loss you never stop trying.

Either you're lying or that company is out of business . 2k expendable cash to make a customer happy on what a $100-200 meal? Please let the world know what place this is so we can all go get free stuff for putting our own hair in the soup.