The nerf scattergun approach?

[Karbuncle]

Im laughing at it. Especially since the OP continues to make pointless threads just to get a few likes from the OF cry baby circle . Put up a dislike button and you'll see that the "entire player base" " majority of players"( its 85% right?) isn't really on your side. But I guess if that happens then runespiders constant complaints won't have much weight when he cant pull the entire player base is gonna quit if you don't do what I want.

Right, Because when a Company who just a few months ago promised us "No nerfs, Only Buffs", Is now going full-nerf mode, Hitting WAR, MNK, COR, BST... amongst other things, We have no right to complain?

While Runespider may be making multiple threads "whining", he as a customer is entitled to such act, especially when these actions are going against what were made to believe was going to be coming in the future of FFXI.

anyone defending these random nerfs and frankly bad decisions are simply white-knights who have been deluded with years of FFXI into thinking every act from SE should be viewed as benevolent gifts of Balance.

Nerfs are never and should never be the answer to job adjustments. Buffing other jobs to be on par would be a better solution. I don't care if they nerfed WAR, MNK, and SAM in order to Buff THF To be the best DD and tank in the game, I would still be upset they nerfed WAR, MNK, and SAM in the process.

And its no secret THF is my favorite job.

Nerfs are quite simply never the solution, and frankly, its the "easy way out" when it comes to job adjustments. Its far easier in the name of "balance" to nerf one job, than to try and buff others around it.

[zagam]

Right, Because when a Company who just a few months ago promised us "No nerfs, Only Buffs", Is now going full-nerf mode, Hitting WAR, MNK, COR, BST... amongst other things, We have no right to complain?

While Runespider may be making multiple threads "whining", he as a customer is entitled to such act, especially when these actions are going against what were made to believe was going to be coming in the future of FFXI.

anyone defending these random nerfs and frankly bad decisions are simply white-knights who have been deluded with years of FFXI into thinking every act from SE should be viewed as benevolent gifts of Balance.

Nerfs are never and should never be the answer to job adjustments. Buffing other jobs to be on par would be a better solution. I don't care if they nerfed WAR, MNK, and SAM in order to Buff THF To be the best DD and tank in the game, I would still be upset they nerfed WAR, MNK, and SAM in the process.

And its no secret THF is my favorite job.

Nerfs are quite simply never the solution, and frankly, its the "easy way out" when it comes to job adjustments. Its far easier in the name of "balance" to nerf one job, than to try and buff others around it.

The same company also said a few months ago they would never change the VW drops system and went ahead and did it anyway , your point? If you thing SE is the only company to ever change its mind about the product the sell then you are naive. And you cant seriously believe that continuing to buff jobs over and over will make the game better? you cant keep setting the bar higher and expect a balanced product.
And of course you have the right to complain, its an American past time. Just don't sit there and assume that everyone is on the same page. But any opinion vs you is white knighting? You sound like that Stockholm's guy every time someone disagrees with you. I never once said I liked nerfs but I understand to some degree why they are needed, Im an ukko war and ill be the first to admit I could see a nerf coming a mile away.

Runespider is a customer yes. But the problem most of you fail to understand is the the phrase the customer is always right is WRONG. There comes a time when any business will cut its losses with a customer that they clearly cant make happy. Some people are born complainers, no matter what you do nothing will ever be good enough.

Nerfs aren't the easy way out infarct just the opposite. The easy way out is to do like you said and buff everything else while making everyone happy at the same time, except for the job that was the bar. But again, the bar cant keep going up. So instead the nerf some things and have a few people fume on the OF.

[Arcon]

Right, Because when a Company who just a few months ago promised us "No nerfs, Only Buffs", [..]

They didn't, though. It was mentioned that that was pertinent to the update in question, not as a generic rule for all their future releases.

While Runespider may be making multiple threads "whining", he as a customer is entitled to such act, [..]

Sadly, everyone is.

Nerfs are never and should never be the answer to job adjustments. [..]

Nerfs are quite simply never the solution, and frankly, its the "easy way out" when it comes to job adjustments. Its far easier in the name of "balance" to nerf one job, than to try and buff others around it.

I'd agree that the current round of nerfs was unnecessary but as a blanket statement I can't let this go undisputed. Sometimes it is in the best interest of absolutely everyone to nerf one job and that's when the job is absolutely overpowered. That point is when the difference between a buff and a bug is hard to tell. Bugs are intellectual errors whereas buffs can be errors of judgment. If they made such an error of judgment and overpowered something to ridiculous levels (possibly without realizing it), then it can and should be nerfed. Because there's two sides to balance in a game like this, once the balance between classes, but also the balance between players and content. If you keep buffing everyone up to the levels of one ridiculously overpowered job, content loses its meaning as it's possible to plow through it with zero effort. That point should never arise (they came damn close to it in Abyssea). The only logical reason to remedy such a situation is to nerf the one overpowered jobs to reasonable levels.

Again, not saying this is appropriate here, but I hate generalizations like that (despite my malevolent pleasure about the pet TH nerf, which I admit is purely personal jealousy). Generalizations never work.

[..] But the problem most of you fail to understand is the the phrase the customer is always right is WRONG. [..]

Sadly, that is often lost on people thinking they're entitled to more than just an opinion.

[Yarly]

We're going back to level 75? Man that sucks for those people who spent so many months to level all their jobs to level 99 just to have to go back to 75...

Question... will the gears be scaled down at least?

[wish12oz]

Im laughing at it. Especially since the OP continues to make pointless threads just to get a few likes from the OF cry baby circle . Put up a dislike button and you'll see that the "entire player base" " majority of players"( its 85% right?) isn't really on your side. But I guess if that happens then runespiders constant complaints won't have much weight when he cant pull the entire player base is gonna quit if you don't do what I want.

I waited a few days before I responded to this because I wanted to give people time to like your post, so I could compare it to the OP, and say it looks like the majority of players agree with the OP, and not you. But hey, at least you can take comfort in the fact that for every 7 or 8 people that agree with the OP, 1 agrees with you.

[zagam]

I waited a few days before I responded to this because I wanted to give people time to like your post, so I could compare it to the OP, and say it looks like the majority of players agree with the OP, and not you. But hey, at least you can take comfort in the fact that for every 7 or 8 people that agree with the OP, 1 agrees with you.

And the majority of the OF advocates melee rdm, limit break to hard etc etc, if you want to lump yourself in with that group by all means go for it

[Juilan]

The fact that a post like this pops up, and the first page is all people agreeing with it, instead of laughing at it, should really tell you something SE.

That assumes the devs can actually read, or understand simple language.
BALANCE = MONSTER THAT ARE MORE THAN FOURTY LEVELS UNDER YOU NO LONGER AGGRO.

[Zarchery]

The fact that a post like this pops up, and the first page is all people agreeing with it, instead of laughing at it, should really tell you something SE.

Actually, it tells you something very elementary about human psychology. Misery loves company. When people are unhappy about something, they like to commiserate about it. All it really tells you is that multiple people are unhappy with something, which is completely normal and expected. Back when Abyssea was in its heyday (the glory days you guys seem to latch on to) anti-Abyssea posts were made and drew similar cries of "yeah I agree!"

But yeah, go ahead and hang on to the delusion that it's all about you and that YOU are representative of the entirety of the playerbase.

[Sparthos]

Actually, it tells you something very elementary about human psychology. Misery loves company. When people are unhappy about something, they like to commiserate about it. All it really tells you is that multiple people are unhappy with something, which is completely normal and expected. Back when Abyssea was in its heyday (the glory days you guys seem to latch on to) anti-Abyssea posts were made and drew similar cries of "yeah I agree!"

But yeah, go ahead and hang on to the delusion that it's all about you and that YOU are representative of the entirety of the playerbase.

The market has been pretty decisive on SEs ventures in the gaming community but go on and claim that it's just a minority claiming the company is going in the wrong direction. Whatever lulls you to sleep.

It's not just FFXI. The most vocal people are often the long time fans that see the iceberg dead ahead and are trying to tell the captains to change course but they're too busy chanting balance, balance, balance.

[Zinato]

It's not just FFXI. The most vocal people are often the long time fans that see the iceberg dead ahead and are trying to tell the captains to change course but they're too busy chanting balance, balance, balance.

I think I need to make a flash animation for this. Would likely make a great youtube video if anyone is bored. Can even add Titanic music.