The nerf scattergun approach?

[Hayward]

I'll say it again: some people are so deep in their Stockholm Syndrome they'll say anything to defend S-E's honor even when what they do proves to be unjustifiable to anyone capaple of reason.

Again, the best way to address discrepancies in job performance is to raise the performance of those that are underperforming, not bringing down those that are performing the best (even Samurai).

[Asymptotic]

I'll say it again: some people are so deep in their Stockholm Syndrome they'll say anything to defend S-E's honor even when what they do proves to be unjustifiable to anyone capaple of reason.

Again, the best way to address discrepancies in job performance is to raise the performance of those that are underperforming, not bringing down those that are performing the best (even Samurai).

Yay, Power Creep!

Anyway, It's more parsimonious to adjust 2 jobs than it is to adjust 10.

I'll say it again, the Ukko's, Smite, BST TH, and Save TP nerfs were merited. They haven't nerfed anything else recently, as far as I'm aware, post-live server release. Every other job adjustment has been at least a slight improvement, even one to WAR!

[Disifer]

Yay, Power Creep!

Anyway, It's more parsimonious to adjust 2 jobs than it is to adjust 10.

I'll say it again, the Ukko's, Smite, BST TH, and Save TP nerfs were merited. They haven't nerfed anything else recently, as far as I'm aware, post-live server release. Every other job adjustment has been at least a slight improvement, even one to WAR!

Even MNK was a never used job until Smite came along. It sorta fixed the job. Nerfing it didn't break what was fixed, it was just bringing them down to a level with other jobs. Ukko I have no opinion on whatsoever. BST TH being a bst, wasnt really an exploit. Could never get above th3. Nerfing it to TH2 would make sense. TH1 is like a kick in the balls. The save tp adjustment, the one job complaining about it is a Cor, not the ones who were receiving the roll. Just made Cor a less desired job.

Everyone has their own opinion, I do see both sides of each nerf, some more than others. But it still goes against what they've said as recently as a year ago about buffing jobs and not nerfing them. At least release information of plans on how to increase the functionality of those jobs, and before you say they released the changes to merits for every job and existing JA's, i hardly see them as noticeable increase compared to the decrease of the jobs in the nerfing conversation.

And to edit, we can't even use the TH+1 sash, so it's putting us on par with a PUP/DNC in any situation who tags a mob with the sash on. Dunno how that makes a ton of sense.

[SpankWustler]

I'll say it again, the Ukko's, Smite, BST TH, and Save TP nerfs were merited.

I don't really see the change to Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite in the same light as the change to Save TP.

In the case of the former, the base critical hit rate was seen as too high and thus it was reduced. It was a pinpoint solution that focused directly on the one thing seen as a problem.

In the case of the latter, weaponskill frequency was seen as too high when various sources of "bonus" TP such as Save TP were combined. Thus, Save TP is being made to be really useful only when you have more than ~30 of it and Miser's Roll is being made pointless outside of Voidwatch. If high amounts of such bonuses were the issue, why are only high amounts useful now?

It is also possible that the development team doesn't know how one of these sources, Conserve TP, actually works in spite of inventing the damn job trait themselves.

It's entirely possible to think that something was a problem but also think the Development Bros came up with a cumbersome "solution". Although I guess that's not really what this topic is about.

[Kimble]

If DNC got a nerf, he'd be crying so meh.

[Eri]

If DNC got a nerf, he'd be crying so meh.

What do you wanna nerf on a Job that fails in its own role (Support) and is pushed to play DD...
Soloability? Sad to say so but im hopeing for it.... and as mutch as i have seen (of Posts) Asymptotic would not even be on the fence...

Anyway im in for nerfing the bandwagen DNC's and make it what it should be in the first Place.

[Kimble]

What do you wanna nerf on a Job that fails in its own role (Support) and is pushed to play DD...
Soloability? Sad to say so but im hopeing for it.... and as mutch as i have seen (of Posts) Asymptotic would not even be on the fence...

Anyway im in for nerfing the bandwagen DNC's and make it what it should be in the first Place.

Well, they did nerf Bst so anything is possible.

[Asymptotic]

If DNC got a nerf, he'd be crying so meh.

Not if it were deserved. :P

[Alerith]

SE, you can salvage this entire bad image and you can do it with the same two words I've been chanting for years:

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