[dev1080] Thief - Assassin's Charge/feint proposed Adjustments

[Arcon]

Ah, you were interpreting it to mean an increased chance for TH to level up while a mob has Feint applied to it? I was expecting it to be the chance for TH to level up on the hit that applied Feint (sort of like the increased chance to level up TH on the hit that gets the SA or TA bonus).

This is how I understood it as well, and it was why I wanted to go from 0/5 to 5/5 next update. However, now you have me wondering.

Right now I'm 5/5 AC and 5/5 AS, depending on how they go about it, I may do 5/5 Feint, 5/5 AS next update. If, however, the TH upgrade thing turns out to be disappointing (who are we kidding, it's THF we're talking about), I think I'll actually remain 0/5 Feint, just because I can't be bothered.

[Babekeke]

Other people have done testing with larger samples. It's not that much.

How much of an increase would 9 -> 10 have to provide to make it worth the extra time it takes to proc (if you can get it to proc)? I'm guessing that with almost anything that is not a timed or lottery spawn, spending more that a minute or two trying to upgrade (beyond the time it would normally take to kill) is not actually helping.

Whatever it would have to be, it isn't now. I rarely see above TH10 right now, even in abyssea where I have TH8 to start with, because kill speed still gets you more drops than raising TH. Unless it's perhaps a mob like Eccentric Eve where you spent forever farming all the KIs.

[Karbuncle]

god save you if you're implying you use Atma of Dread then go on to discuss Killspeed > TH! That's tremendous backpedaling lol. Bad Babekeke, Bad

That aside, In regards to a fellow posting about "Crit Hit Rate+5% with Ass. Charge" ---- This seems ultimately useless anywhere but Abyssea really, Cause Evisceration is pretty obsolete due to Exenterator, outside, of course. And Critical hit Rate does nothing for a 100% Crit (SA/TA - Again, With most AC being paired with SA/TA...) it makes it useless.

I guess the JP fire off Assassin's Charge regularly or something, has to be reason why SE would think these additions would be good.

The only useful to come out of these Merit adjustments is that I can Move 4 merits our of Asn Charge and still get 5 min recast (as pointed out earlier)

[Arcon]

god save you if you're implying you use Atma of Dread then go on to discuss Killspeed > TH! That's tremendous backpedaling lol. Bad Babekeke, Bad

Don't think that's what he suggested. I think he just meant getting full TH on certain NMs is worth it, when killspeed doesn't matter (for big NM fights).

I guess the JP fire off Assassin's Charge regularly or something, has to be reason why SE would think these additions would be good.

Actually, I've heard someone on the WAR forums argue that Warrior's Charge (forced Double Attack) is best use in the TP phase for faster TP gain. Now, that dude was obviously mentally challenged, but maybe others employ a similar reasoning?

[Karbuncle]

On WAR at least it has some slight foundation, Double Attack on a TP Phase would give a good WAR about 40TP. On THF, You'd get about 10 more TP.. Not worth it.

I'd kill anyone who thought that way

[Saiken253]

I'm happy with the THF update. def going what most are going to go with 5/5 feint, 4/5 aura, and 1/5 charge.

Also, it's not explicitly talked about, but the TH cap was 15, but with the introduction to the af2+2 hands the cap has been risen to TH18. I can't find nor remember where I found this, but there is a hard cap on TH and it's affected by TH gear. So even if it's 100% for each first attack in a round, it would still stop at 18. If it is still as you said earlier Karbuncle, I still approve(effectively doubling the chance to upgrade with 5/5 feint) makes attaining the cap twice as easy .

[Arcon]

Also, it's not explicitly talked about, but the TH cap was 15, but with the introduction to the af2+2 hands the cap has been risen to TH18. I can't find nor remember where I found this, but there is a hard cap on TH and it's affected by TH gear.

First time hearing about it and I don't believe it. I can't possibly imagine how anyone could have found the cap, even if it existed.

[Saiken253]

well, we might be able to confirm this soon ^^

[Arcon]

well, we might be able to confirm this soon ^^

How exactly? Because I have absolutely no idea. Not unless we get 16 base TH.

[Babekeke]

god save you if you're implying you use Atma of Dread then go on to discuss Killspeed > TH! That's tremendous backpedaling lol. Bad Babekeke, Bad

I agree, I was aware of this as soon as I hit 'post', but hoped noone would notice. What I actually meant is that guaranteed TH > messing around hoping for those chances of raising. Our group usually has ~12 people and we spam empy weapon mobs. No matter which atmas I use, I'm not going to make the kills all that much quicker by using GH or Sanguine Scythe, or which ever other combo people prefer with apoc and rr. Especially since I'm main-handing a Thokcha and stuff dies so fast I don't bother to switch out THF knife (I'd forget to re-equip it!).