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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    This is an incredibly bad move. Bst is absolutely worthless in Voidwatch. Chances are it will be extremely undesirable in Legion. That leaves us primarily with two "semi relevant" events to shine in. Abyssea, and Dynamis. Do you think we shine in those two events because when people build parties for them they shout in port jeuno "5/6 Beast Master Can I have it?"

    NO. We shine in those two areas because we are solo'ing/duo'ing. Or sometimes a small group of friends are doing something, and a Beast Master can fulfill a twofer by being a backup tank/DD with a little TH mixed in.

    With this announcement you want to shit all over small groups, and solo play in events that are boring as hell to begin with. Where if people still need things from old events Bst offers a way to obtain those items without begging for help. To help new players obtain gear, or to catch up returning players to the game who need gear yet can;t find anyone to help, because everyone has what they need from these two events already.

    Honestly wasn't Farsha enough of a kick in the balls to Beastmasters? Why don't the Developers spend their time making the WS not be the most pathetic empy WS these is outside of abyssea. Or make special pets only callable when you have relic/mythic/empy equipped? Unless this "TH gear" allows us to retain the same level of TH we've had with Yuly this decision is a complete slap in the face. How out of touch can the development team be with a game THEY are creating... Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafein View Post
    This is an incredibly bad move. Bst is absolutely worthless in Voidwatch. Chances are it will be extremely undesirable in Legion. That leaves us primarily with two "semi relevant" events to shine in. Abyssea, and Dynamis. Do you think we shine in those two events because when people build parties for them they shout in port jeuno "5/6 Beast Master Can I have it?"

    NO. We shine in those two areas because we are solo'ing/duo'ing. Or sometimes a small group of friends are doing something, and a Beast Master can fulfill a twofer by being a backup tank/DD with a little TH mixed in.

    With this announcement you want to shit all over small groups, and solo play in events that are boring as hell to begin with. Where if people still need things from old events Bst offers a way to obtain those items without begging for help. To help new players obtain gear, or to catch up returning players to the game who need gear yet can;t find anyone to help, because everyone has what they need from these two events already.

    Honestly wasn't Farsha enough of a kick in the balls to Beastmasters? Why don't the Developers spend their time making the WS not be the most pathetic empy WS these is outside of abyssea. Or make special pets only callable when you have relic/mythic/empy equipped? Unless this "TH gear" allows us to retain the same level of TH we've had with Yuly this decision is a complete slap in the face. How out of touch can the development team be with a game THEY are creating... Jesus.
    or you know allow BSTs to be able to Charm mobs in abbysea etc. ...... oh wait that made too much sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teraniku View Post
    or you know allow BSTs to be able to Charm mobs in abbysea etc. ...... oh wait that made too much sense.
    The whole problem reaches farther than abyssea. It started the day they raised the cap, the job has not been able to use ANY of the new content to their advantage. You can say thats wrong cause they needed to nerf pdt from 100% but that was nothing more than a toy. I could solo Hedjedjet but no proc and sometimes i got nothing. Nothing. Abyssea I was useless in, VW I AM useless in. Only old content will I really shine, is that so horribly bad? Take away TH and you don't decrease people in dynamis, you make me change my setup for salvage from 2 bsts and a who cares to 1 bst and 1 thf and a who cares. Einherjar i go as bst just cause i dont wanna change and it's easy content. Limbus I solo for coins and for omega and ultima pops, TH might affect how many 6k coins i make in a run from 40-60 to 20-30? i'm not there for coins anyways, i do it to kill time.
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    And because the Japanese like this pointless nerf, there's zero chance we can resist it. Thanks for stripping of us of our ability to pursue relics independently, I'm glad I put so much effort into gearing BST for this purpose, as if the Abyssea nerfs weren't enough.

    Now it's back to kissing ass and bowing to disability check collecting, Rascal riding, diabetes having pyramid scheme-type LS mafioso wannabes if we EVER want to lay hands on a relic. Thanks guys. I hate you and your balance.
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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldbrand View Post
    And because the Japanese like this pointless nerf, there's zero chance we can resist it. Thanks for stripping of us of our ability to pursue relics independently, I'm glad I put so much effort into gearing BST for this purpose, as if the Abyssea nerfs weren't enough.

    Now it's back to kissing ass and bowing to disability check collecting, Rascal riding, diabetes having pyramid scheme-type LS mafioso wannabes if we EVER want to lay hands on a relic. Thanks guys. I hate you and your balance.
    Yeah no shit. They need to get the Beastmasters out of Dynamis so they don't interfere with newly formed groups going to farm assinine trials to upgrade peoples relics to 99. Not only do they feel the need to tell you "Hey we decided you need an alliance to get that last upgrade for the relic you solo'd/duo'd... or wait on 2nd thought from now on we don't want people solo'ing/duo'ing their way through boring as hell content at all. KthnkxBaI." Need to insure that bullshit timesink is running smoothly.
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    Why can't they just do away with Treasure Hunter entirely?

    Give THF some traits and JA's that make it more than a job thats primary function in PvE is to smack something a few times and gtfo.

    Start giving THF crit damage +% crit chance +% and shit like tactical evasion and special bolts like mdef down, meva down, and upgraded versions of the Bloody/Acid/Blind exclusive to Thief only.

    Treasure hunter is a retarded idea that only holds the job that has it as its "primary" focus back, if you're going to give it to everyone, /take it away, or GIVE IT TO AVATARS AND AUTOMATONS.

    Just do everyone a favor, delete it and give Thief things worth while.


    Treasure hunter is the thing that has single handedly sent thief into oblivion. Yet the dev team still says stupid things like "Mug and Steal" having lower recast times etc is overpowered, there's NOTHING TO STEAL, THERE'S NOTHING TO MUG, TH DOESN'T MATTER IN VOID WATCH, IT DOESN'T MATTER IN NEARLY 80% OF THE GAME.

    Just do the smart thing and give THF a combo point system like you gave to DNC and call the abilities different things, jesus christ I feel sorry for you guys.
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    Last edited by Urteil; 02-03-2012 at 08:22 AM.

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    Eh. Can we at least get a TH boost for Falcorr over Yuly? Just seemed weird to me for them to have the same TH effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vold View Post
    Eh. Can we at least get a TH boost for Falcorr over Yuly? Just seemed weird to me for them to have the same TH effect.
    Idk, if anything seems like Yuly should be left with the higher TH. I mean they kinda have a point on Falcor. He is really strong. But Yuly? Poor weak take years to kill anything Yuly? No, I do not agree
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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Yeah, there are alot of words to try to explain this.. but it doesn't make sense.
    The
    1 thf
    2, rng
    3 /th
    4 other
    However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, ...

    That list didn't exist at 75...
    At level 75 there was TH2 on thf and a bit of treasure hunter + gear. There was no bounty shot. There was not treasure hunter outside thf or /thf.

    How can we "restore" balance and order to something that didn't exist?
    Why should it be this way? that really doesn't add up. Why should RNG be better than /thf?
    Why is it not okay for bst to have access to better treasure hunter than than /thf?

    Balance? well jugs don't make themselves. There is a cost to it. The balance is already built into the price of the jugs. You pay PREMIUM for Yuly & Falcorr
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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilk View Post
    Yeah, there are alot of words to try to explain this.. but it doesn't make sense.
    The
    1 thf
    2, rng
    3 /th
    4 other



    That list didn't exist at 75...
    At level 75 there was TH2 on thf and a bit of treasure hunter + gear. There was no bounty shot. There was not treasure hunter outside thf or /thf.

    How can we "restore" balance and order to something that didn't exist?
    Why should it be this way? that really doesn't add up. Why should RNG be better than /thf?
    Why is it not okay for bst to have access to better treasure hunter than than /thf?

    Balance? well jugs don't make themselves. There is a cost to it. The balance is already built into the price of the jugs. You pay PREMIUM for Yuly & Falcorr
    Ranger also has a place in VW, and will in Legion. While it might not be as highly sought after for top tier DD spots it still most definitely has a ticket to the show.

    While Bst is excluded as per usual. Hey SE why don't you institute some actual balance for a change, and make Bst desirable in your lolEndgame plans.
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