Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs

[Rohelius]

The point is THF has higher Treasure Hunter. I don't care if its weak by their standards, its stronger then the one pets have and if its the fact that it is weak making them butt hurt about it, then its not Beastmasters problem. We have pets with different traits for a reason and farming pet is just another reason to have a pet like that.
This reasoning is about as insane as taking away RDM's Cure and Nuke spells to make BLM and WHM more "signature" jobs.

Hey SE you want to take something from a job to define it better? take away DRK nuke spell list.

[Nynja]

wow youre an idiot

[Louispv]

Still upset I jacked a couple of your yellow mobs? BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

No, I'm pissed that you've been doing nothing but bitching, in almost every thread you've ever entered, that every job should be nerfed because THF is worthless.

That every DD job should be nerfed because they do more damage than your THF.

That the game should be shut down because they made Thief's knife easier to get than a cure for cancer.

That DRg and BST should be nerfed because they got hate control abilities.

That dynamis should go back to the way it used to be, because you were dumb enough to get a mandau back before the adjustments.

That Mythic and Empyrian weapons should be nerfed, because they're better than the mandau you wasted your time making back in the day.

That DNC should be nerfed because they were given triple attack and sneak attack.

That RNG should be nerfed because they took your precious TH.

You do absolutely nothing but demand everyone else should be brought down to your level, instead of making THF actually useful.

And the irony in the bolded part. The only reason bst got useful in the past 5 months was because of blatantly ripping off thief's defining job trait (AND NO ITS NOT FKN STEAL), and now youre butthurt its being taken away. BAWWWWWWWWWW

I've been a BST since 2 years after the release of the game. I didn't level it for TH.

Also, yes, the defining trait of THF IS Steal.
Thief
noun, plural thieves.
a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; one guilty of theft or larceny.

It can't possibly be treasure hunter. If it were TH, then, according to you, even after this adjustment, 10 of the 20 jobs have the same strength TH as a THF does. If literally half the jobs in the game are just as good as you at something, it's not your defining trait.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Steal can't be thf's defining trait, it's too overpowered for aura steal to be put on a separate timer

[SpankWustler]

Steal can't be thf's defining trait, it's too overpowered for aura steal to be put on a separate timer

Particularly if the Thief in question has merits in Aura Steal.

[Nynja]

[Annalise]

So next are we going to decide that BST WAR jugs cannot have fencer because their level of fencer is the same as WAR, and higher than other jobs? And the Apkallu jug is a monk with native store tp, double attack, and triple attack. Does he need to be 'nerfed' too? Especially since none of that is native to MNK.

It's not like anyone was replacing thieves with BSTs. If people want TH, they opt for a thief. Just like it people want healing, they opt for a white mage. People generally opt for the best of what they need. I've never heard anyone say "we need TH, someone come BST".

Essentially it's not about balance between jobs. Certain jobs and combinations (e.g. NIN/DNC and solo) are much better at things than other jobs. That's not balance, that's just how it is. It's about BST being more effective than intended, specifically in regards to farming items. I think they should just own up to that, instead of making some BS excuse about comparing TH between jobs.

[Karbuncle]

The idea of this Nerf, as a whole, Is pretty stupid. Theres no reason for it. It was fine as it was. As Anna said, No one invited BST over THF when they wanted TH. Dynamis was quite possibly the one and only event BST was preffered, and that was more due to ease/bandwagon-ability than the fact BST>THF or something rediculous.

But after sifting through 20 pages of Whiny BSTs crying and feeling entitled to the ability, I'm literally on the edge of being thankful this is being removed just so i can have the mental image of you guys crying and throwing tantrums, screaming like an angry german kid at his desk losing a match.

I mean, The nerf is dumb, REALLY dumb. But some of your reasons for feeling entitled to it are equally dumb. The "I WANT IT BECAUSE I DO" then going around and telling Thief's they're dumb/you don't care about their thought on it is the most hypocritical pile of ass i've ever read.

The real kicker is you guys are so blind to your rampant Hypocrisy (I see the word Butt hurt used a lot, Irony, Coincidence?), That its almost amusing to read it.

You mention Farming Pets. I don't see Summoner or PUP with a Thief Pet? Would you object to this being added? (God know i wouldn't, that'd be kick-ass)

Edit: Oh, And i particularly Giggled ravenously at the idea of someone using a dictionary to try and back up his Theory Thief in FFXI is defined by Steal, and there-for, TH isn't it defining Trait. Hint: Its not the Dictionary Nynja is referring too - I spoilered it for you below.

If you guys want to help your case, You should stop throwing your anger at Thieves, and actually start making attempts for alternatives, to the dev team. I have, Look around. I've made suggestions to simply Improve the Usefulness of TH beyond 3, In a way only THF can utilize. Like a TH-Unique Debuff based on TH level. So forth

What you're doing now, It just makes you look like whiny children outletting their anger on anyone because of an injustice, Everyone. I'm sure 99% of the Thief's on this forum, including me, Have BST leveled, and will be hurt just as bad by this. As a collective, Thief or no, We hate the nerf, Its a dumb nerf.

Just, Be Thankful you're keeping TH1, and They're considering Pet:TH+ Gear in the future. The only things that changing is that the Out-of-Abyssea Bros will actually have to work for their Treasure hunter. Do i think they shouldn't do this nerf? Yes. Do i think they'll go back on their decision? No. That would require them making Treasure Hunter useful.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Try focusing your energy on coming up with reasonable solutions to fit SE's "Vision".

Coming up with Working alternatives, Working Solutions, Something to present to the Dev team would be far better use of your time.

Also, yes, the defining trait of THF IS Steal.
Thief
noun, plural thieves.
a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; one guilty of theft or larceny.

It can't possibly be treasure hunter. If it were TH, then, according to you, even after this adjustment, 10 of the 20 jobs have the same strength TH as a THF does. If literally half the jobs in the game are just as good as you at something, it's not your defining trait.

Incorrect. No job in the game has the same Strength of TH As Thief does. Your argument is now flawed. Thieves can Obtain a Base TH of 3, Other jobs can only do Base of 2, THF Can obtain up to TH7 in gear, Other jobs only TH3.

Thief is the best Treasure Hunter, That is the jobs Defining Trait. When you see a shout for a Thief, They're not saying "Must have Steal+ Gear", they're saying "TH4/TH5+".

You're ignoring logic for the sake of trying to save-face or make your argument work. The only people who agree with you are the same people who are too blinding by anger at this nerf to realize just how flawed your entire argument is.

Its filled with logical gaps. Websters doesn't define a job in FFXI. The players do. In FFXI, The players define and judge a Thief by their Treasure Hunter level, not Their collection of Steal gear.

I mean, If this was Webster Fantasy XI, You'd hold some point. But Dictionaries rarely define Roles in an MMO, The players do, and the Devs do. in FFXI, the Role of Thief is Treasure hunter

Quick Edit:

That Mythic and Empyrian weapons should be nerfed, because they're better than the mandau you wasted your time making back in the day.

99Mandau > 99Thwast in every conceivable manner.

And personally, I don't think Nynja wants everyone to get nerfed. The argument you're having with him now really seems more personal than having to do with FFXI's direction.

And To really make sure its remembered. Some of your arguments? Pretty decent. But instead of whining and making passes at Thief, Do something constructive. Come up with Ideas, Solutions, Alternatives. Anything other than raging at eachother.

[Nynja]

I didnt even read that steaming pile of shit you posted because after reading the first 3 words, I knew it could only be summarized by this famous quote:

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I only noticed this because Karb quoted it:

go back to the way it used to be, because you were dumb enough to get a mandau back before the adjustments.

That Mythic and Empyrian weapons should be nerfed, because they're better than the mandau you wasted your time making back in the day.

You are aware that of the trio of endgame daggers, atleast at 90 and 95 level, Mandau is the strongest of the three? I think even at 85 it was pretty comparible to Trashtar, and I'm pretty sure the trend would continue at 99. The same however can NOT be said in regards to other relics. If you want to QQ about garbage rare weapons, I'm pretty sure I've seen you OFFHANDING your farsha. enough said

[Camiie]

But after sifting through 20 pages of Whiny BSTs crying and feeling entitled to the ability, I'm literally on the edge of being thankful this is being removed just so i can have the mental image of you guys crying and throwing tantrums, screaming like an angry german kid at his desk losing a match.

I mean, The nerf is dumb, REALLY dumb. But some of your reasons for feeling entitled to it are equally dumb. The "I WANT IT BECAUSE I DO" then going around and telling Thief's they're dumb/you don't care about their thought on it is the most hypocritical pile of ass i've ever read.

But then you're throwing all BSTs under the bus for the actions of a few. I'm not saying I'm as pure as the driven snow, but I specifically said to our most vocal proponent of this nerf that I'm more than happy to support any boosts to THF that he or SE would want to suggest (within reason of course). I have nothing at all against THF as a job. I don't play it, but I certainly enjoy what it can bring to the table and understand that the job needs work.

The whole thing just feels like being punished without having done anything wrong. Not just the nerf itself, but the vitriol and disdain coming from those reacting gleefully to it. It's way beyond lolJOB.

I'm sure I have stepped on peoples' toes as BST before, though I always do my best to keep that to a minimum and I think I've largely succeeded. I don't think my TH3 pets have gained me an extraordinary amount of loot, but it certainly does seem to help. I have soloed some timed-pop in Abyssea and around Vana'diel before, and had people come by wanting to kill the same thing. I don't think that's terribly egregious. I will team up unless I know someone to be untrustworthy.

It'd still be nice to know why this change is really being made. I'm sure there's a reason other than BALANCE!! Either SE felt too much loot was being gained, something was being exploited, or there's something coming down the pipe where BSTs will actually be useful. Or maybe I'm just trying to apply reason to insanity.