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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louispv View Post
    No, sir, you are the one that is wrong. Tarutaru Sash gives TH+1. It has already been tested, and it gives a full TH3, just as THF gets.
    That is exactly what he said in the text you quoted. Base of two, TH3 in gear. How is he wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Louispv View Post
    All other TH gear doesn't matter, as according to every TH in existence, including Nynja, (and SE themselves it seems from this nerf) TH after that has no effect. So all 10 jobs that can wear that belt are exactly as good at using Treasure Hunter as THF is.
    Wrong. TH has a greatly reduced effect per tier and only compared to the first two tiers (not first three, TH2 is great, TH3 is almost the same as TH2). However, you still notice a significant increase from TH2 (or even TH3) to TH7, which is what THF can get all through gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louispv View Post
    If it was about maintaining THF's TH mastery, SE would need to remove all tarutaru sashes from the game. Since they have not, this is simply a nerf to BST because Nynja and ilk bitched, and nothing more.
    Personally I believe SE is simply afraid of upsetting "the balance". If all TH tiers worked like TH1 and TH2 (rerolls), TH would be incredibly broken at higher tiers (TH7 would be the equivalent of killing a mob eigth time for drop rates), which I can even understand. Though personally I think they should reduce TH1 and TH2 effect but make it the same effect for all tiers.
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    I think that instead of reducing pet TH to 1, SE should instead lower the level cap of of Yuly and Falcor to 84 or 85 (before merits and Relic +2 Augment), keep the jug ingredients the same (they aren't that hard to get...), and allow Falcor to remain out for 2 hours. This would lower the level of the pet by 15 levels and make merits or relic more desired and prioritize them for any dedicated BST.

    Or even going ahead with the nerf, keep the jug ingredients the same and lower the max level of both pets to 85 while making sure NOT to make any +1 TH items weapons...
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    Who here was crying about injustice when the pet: DT-100% thing was fixed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    Who here was crying about injustice when the pet: DT-100% thing was fixed?
    It may have been someone, but it wasn't me.
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    The whole thing just feels like being punished without having done anything wrong. Not just the nerf itself, but the vitriol and disdain coming from those reacting gleefully to it. It's way beyond lolJOB.
    I agreed with that. I mean, The nerf has some meaning. But i feel it could have been addressed better.

    Its simply, Instead of barking back and forth with eachother (not specifically you), Should come up with workable solutions or alternatives to give to SE That might change the nerf.

    Though Frankly, Its a futile Effort. They don't listen and will continue to thrust their "Vision of Balance" in us rather we like it or not.
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    I hope Cait Sith doesn't get TH, Thats literally just an Excuse to make another Mediocre Avatar. >_>
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    out of curiosity, were there any conclusive tests that showed THI + taru sash = THII? i can't remember
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphine View Post
    out of curiosity, were there any conclusive tests that showed THI + taru sash = THII? i can't remember
    I cannot see why it shouldn't be. I've done a fair amount of tests on the workings of TH itself, and it all indicates that TH is very simply tiered, with all trait tiers and all increasing items and buffs (Kupower/Atma) as well as upgrades just adding up. No extra-TH calculations (like post-TH modifiers or mid-tiers) or anything like that.
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    /hasn't read the last few pages, and then the first ~25 pages

    Instead of nerfing BST TH, SE should have just added more mobs/faster respawns in Dynamis to relieve congestion, because obviously this was the reason for the nerf. When 10 people is more than enough to occupy an entire zones JA procs, there's a problem.
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    You need to learn how to quote, or don't quote at all.
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