Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs

[Glamdring]

With all the mention of beast soloing in dynamis I have to say out of my 6 99 jobs, pup/dnc using the red mage auto is my most effective soloer, because it covers all 3 procs. The main reason to bring a TH job is not currency, but relic pieces and forgotten items, currency I get in plenty. I have yet to try thf/nin, but that would also be a valid 3 proc combo. However, the utility of thf/dnc seems to still trump it given the lessened time to recover HP, and getting access to JA procs faster. However, with most soloers concentrating on JA mobs, thf/nin might actually be superior due to the increased availability of targets, as few soloers target MA procced mobs. Just to throw some options out there. It just seems that procs are more important to yield than TH.

[Zinato]

It just seems that procs are more important to yield than TH.

This is a fact, not a theory. In 2 hours of kill farming (skipping procs in favor of killing speed) with TH3 I came out of Glacier with 15 shells, 4 forgotten. Over 100 kill and all yagudo, with a stray proc here and there from weaponskill, were it not for those procs I would have gotten ~4 shells. If someone wants to address conjestion and competition in Dynamis the Proc system is what needs to be address.

Also, how did the TH thread get back to Dynamis talk? Once again, Proc = Currency, BST/DNC is the most effective at procing (not TH), If BST loses TH it will not change how many enter Dynamis. What it will change is how fast they kill (Since they will need more mobs and proc to make up the difference, so they will use a stronger pet. and BTW, this is only making things worse for BST haters) and How many total times they will enter dynamis to be your competition.

[Nynja]

I know well no need to say it. But I keep say in this game there's nice ppl and asshole like him. I can understand when 3+ mobs but kill one stagger to another ppl even if fair isn't nice and isn't a act of courtesy. Of course, if this ppl did to you before, I would not regret to steal him all the mobs he turn in yellow. Else I won't care much and search another mob (again unless he hold 3+ mobs).

Why would you let a mob that you proced go yellow?

[Glamdring]

This is a fact, not a theory. In 2 hours of kill farming (skipping procs in favor of killing speed) with TH3 I came out of Glacier with 15 shells, 4 forgotten. Over 100 kill and all yagudo, with a stray proc here and there from weaponskill, were it not for those procs I would have gotten ~4 shells. If someone wants to address conjestion and competition in Dynamis the Proc system is what needs to be address.

Also, how did the TH thread get back to Dynamis talk? Once again, Proc = Currency, BST/DNC is the most effective at procing (not TH), If BST loses TH it will not change how many enter Dynamis. What it will change is how fast they kill (Since they will need more mobs and proc to make up the difference, so they will use a stronger pet. and BTW, this is only making things worse for BST haters) and How many total times they will enter dynamis to be your competition.

I was actually pointing out that many other jobs can solo dynamis effectively, and that it's procs, not TH that they need to address when they decide to solo. I just think that-protestations to the contrary-it's the the large numbers of beast soloers in there that's driving the nerf of pet TH, not some worry about "fairness". The fix for TH is-I still maintain-the need to make yields actually go up SIGNIFIGANTLY with each Tier increase, not to do away with the TH. THAT would fix the lack of desire for thieves, too; nerfing beast pets will have no effect on the current state of thief.

[Zinato]

Wasn't a shot at you, please don't take it that way. Just used the statement as a spring board to make a point. Most people here haven't read the Dynamis Conjestion thread.

In case anyone is curious its here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...mis-Congestion

[Mageoholic]

Promoting teaming up in an MMO shame on you SE, don't you know we want to play by ourselves?

[Gingerhurricane]

I will pull one mob at a time. When the zone is empty and no one is near me, i will pull 2 cause it just ends up being quicker to be honest. Sometimes i go in and attack one mob, one links, now i proc one, both mobs are attacking pet, making which mob goes yellow automatically to the proc'd mob because pets act on the same hate scale a mob does. Then said d-bag comes and ganks it. I've never ganked a mob unless that said person ganks it from me. I'll kill it for the sake of killing it even if it isnt proc'd just to annoy someone who runs those tactics.

The job originated with a soloist and sometimes elitist mentality, but there was always a line of respect and it rarely got crossed. The only time I ever had a problem before this was back in the day where an exp pt thought they had priority over my soloing. Therefore sense of entitlement. Now those people leech'd the job to 99 with abyssea and bring the same attitude. I'll see a fellow bst with 2 mobs on him already, and he'll animated flourish the one i've been waiting on the repop for, now he has 3. When i go to get it when it's yellow, I look like the asshat.

This kinda turned into the dynamis thread instead of the pet TH. Fine. Want more currency issues solved. Make currency 100's able to be bought with a set number of allied notes and bring some campaign back to life. Coming from a true soloist with BST being my only job above 60, Doing dyna, limbus, and salvage, after that i'm literally picking my brain looking for something else to do. How i would love to do campaign and trade in notes for 100's. Makes the world go round.

[deces]

[QUOTE=Gingerhurricane;276112]I will pull one mob at a time. When the zone is empty and no one is near me, i will pull 2 cause it just ends up being quicker to be honest. Sometimes i go in and attack one mob, one links, now i proc one, both mobs are attacking pet, making which mob goes yellow automatically to the proc'd mob because pets act on the same hate scale a mob does. Then said d-bag comes and ganks it. I've never ganked a mob unless that said person ganks it from me. I'll kill it for the sake of killing it even if it isnt proc'd just to annoy someone who runs those tactics.

The job originated with a soloist and sometimes elitist mentality, but there was always a line of respect and it rarely got crossed. The only time I ever had a problem before this was back in the day where an exp pt thought they had priority over my soloing. Therefore sense of entitlement. Now those people leech'd the job to 99 with abyssea and bring the same attitude. I'll see a fellow bst with 2 mobs on him already, and he'll animated flourish the one i've been waiting on the repop for, now he has 3. When i go to get it when it's yellow, I look like the asshat.

This kinda turned into the dynamis thread instead of the pet TH. Fine. Want more currency issues solved. Make currency 100's able to be bought with a set number of allied notes and bring some campaign back to life. Coming from a true soloist with BST being my only job above 60, Doing dyna, limbus, and salvage, after that i'm literally picking my brain looking for something else to do. How i would love to do campaign and trade in notes for 100's. Makes the world go round.

Ive been saying this for years, about being able to convert allied notes for relic currency.

[Camate]

Greetings!

Since we have seen some comments related to Dynamis for this discussion about the effect of Treasure Hunter amongst jobs, first I would like to respond to this.

The aforementioned adjustment is not geared towards specific content, as jobs adjustments are considered to have large effects on everything. Regardless of the existing content, we are considering the case of adding new content in the future and decided it was necessary to re-examine the guidelines and make adjustments.

Continuing on, here are some comments in regards to some feedback we have received.

Faithful Falcorr
Since this is a thief-type pet, many of you were hoping for a strong Treasure Hunter effect and we apologize deeply for lowering the effect. We will be looking into adjustments for Falcorr so that this pet can be utilized differently than Yuly and increase the amount of time it is called for, in addition to the previously mentioned recipe changes.

Selection between battle capability of pets/Treasure Hunter
This was an exploration of where the beastmaster job has been placed; a job that focuses on fighting alongside a pet, or a job that focuses on Treasure Hunter. We felt that the former was much more fitting and believe that you all feel the same. Based on this decision, we began to look into adjustments of the benefits of Treasure Hunter. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Treasure Hunter is impermissible as a means of support for pets, and the effect itself will remain intact.

Exploration of attack aspects
Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths.

[Vivik]

The aforementioned adjustment is not geared towards specific content, as jobs adjustments are considered to have large effects on everything. Regardless of the existing content, we are considering the case of adding new content in the future and decided it was necessary to re-examine the guidelines and make adjustments.

I could almost believe that if it were not for the Miser's Roll adjustment. Making a roll basically useful for only one event. It would be awesome if the dev team would not contradict itself in the reasoning for "adjustments".

I'm starting to not believe a thing that comes down the pipe here because the lack of effort in making adjustments is obvious. Nothing against you personally Camate but this kind of "don't care" response from the dev team is getting old, fast.